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Post by dappy on Oct 25, 2022 8:16:32 GMT
So Sunak takes over this morning as Prime Minister. Presumably he will begin to announce his cabinet later today.
He remains a little bit enigmatic. Came from nowhere to be Chancellor and so a little hard to get a grip on who he is and how he will govern.
Early indications are that he will avoid the conflict and culture wars and chaos that Johnson needed and thrived upon and instead just get on with governing the country and hopefully plot a way through the economic chaos we now have (much of which of course self inflicted). I am cautiously optimistic that he will buck the trend of each PM progressively being worse than the one before and can calm things down and begin our recovery. I am not a natural Tory voter but I will give him a chance to prove himself.
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Post by thomas on Oct 25, 2022 8:22:03 GMT
Early indications are that he will avoid the conflict and culture wars and chaos that Johnson needed and thrived upon and instead just get on with governing the country and hopefully plot a way through the economic chaos we now have (much of which of course self inflicted). I am cautiously optimistic that he will buck the trend of each PM progressively being worse than the one before and can calm things down and begin our recovery. I am not a natural Tory voter but I will give him a chance to prove himself. You think ?
Well i think its extremely optimistic to think sunak will avoid conflict within his party this early in his tenure as PM , when im reading thousands of tory members are throwing away membership of the party in disgust at thier lack of a say ,and severe pressure is being applied by those who remain to existing mps.
From what i can see , new labour supporters and of course remainers are chuffing with glee at their dethronement of johnson and the tories putting a wet blanket like sunak in charge , expecially with what the polls are saying how the public view him and his party.
The root problems of the uk remain , and stand like elephants in the room waiting for sunak and potentially starmer down the line to deal with. This isnt over by a mile.
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Post by Morgan on Oct 25, 2022 8:27:18 GMT
The Tories will have to get behind Sunak whatever the price. If they don't we are going to finish up with riots in the streets. The first two jobs are getting back on a friendly footing with the EU countries to help stop illegals and bogus asylum seekers entering the country then sorting out the NHS from GPs upwards.
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Post by thomas on Oct 25, 2022 8:31:16 GMT
The Tories will have to get behind Sunak whatever the price. If they don't we are going to finish up with riots in the streets. The first two jobs are getting back on a friendly footing with the EU countries to help stop illegals and bogus asylum seekers entering the country then sorting out the NHS from GPs upwards. lol. Aye it looks as though its all settling down the morning after....
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 25, 2022 8:56:12 GMT
The Tories will have to get behind Sunak whatever the price. If they don't we are going to finish up with riots in the streets. The first two jobs are getting back on a friendly footing with the EU countries to help stop illegals and bogus asylum seekers entering the country then sorting out the NHS from GPs upwards. Indeed. I don't expect in fighting because they must know that ousting out Sunak will make not having a general election untenable. I was even reading Dorries now says she will support Sunak. The members though is a funny one. Johnsonites are throwing their toys out but who cares about them. If Sunak has sense he would offer Johnson home Secretary as a piece offering and if Johnson accepts, many of the Johsonites might fall in line. |
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Post by Morgan on Oct 25, 2022 9:02:37 GMT
The Tories will have to get behind Sunak whatever the price. If they don't we are going to finish up with riots in the streets. The first two jobs are getting back on a friendly footing with the EU countries to help stop illegals and bogus asylum seekers entering the country then sorting out the NHS from GPs upwards. Indeed. I don't expect in fighting because they must know that ousting out Sunak will make not having a general election untenable. I was even reading Dorries now says she will support Sunak. The members though is a funny one. Johnsonites are throwing their toys out but who cares about them. If Sunak has sense he would offer Johnson home Secretary as a piece offering and if Johnson accepts, many of the Johsonites might fall in line. I think foreign secretary would be better for Johnson. Out of the country for most of the time and he could cover up all the lies and bollocks he comes out with by saying " That's not what I promised. It was a misunderstanding because the president of Wallabalong didn't speak English.  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 25, 2022 9:06:12 GMT
They are at the last chance saloon, I think the wake up call came when they gave a graph showing how disastrous it would be for the Tories if they held a GE right now, they'd almost be obliterated.
Sunak will have to rely on the more charismatic ministers to gel with the public, because he's not a people's person, he will struggle to bond with the public, a quality needed to win elections, unfortunately he does not have that quality.
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 25, 2022 9:09:08 GMT
Indeed. I don't expect in fighting because they must know that ousting out Sunak will make not having a general election untenable. I was even reading Dorries now says she will support Sunak. The members though is a funny one. Johnsonites are throwing their toys out but who cares about them. If Sunak has sense he would offer Johnson home Secretary as a piece offering and if Johnson accepts, many of the Johsonites might fall in line. I think foreign secretary would be better for Johnson. Out of the country for most of the time and he could cover up all the lies and bollocks he comes out with by saying " That's not what I promised. It was a misunderstanding because the president of Walwlabalong didn't speak English." He has already been foreign secretary and he got the sack because he offended everyone. He is generally hated in the EU, so he is a bad choice for foreign secretary. But given 'Levelling up', Rwanda, dingies in the channel, immigration policy and to a lesser extent Brexit fall into the responsibility of Home Secretary... and they are the Johnsonites favourite goto policies... I say let the main cheese work on them and let Sunak fix the economy. And if migrants continue to land in Dover we know who to blame don't we *wink*. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 9:09:13 GMT
They are at the last chance saloon, I think the wake up call came when they gave a graph showing how disastrous it would be for the Tories if they held a GE right now, they'd almost be obliterated. Sunak will have to rely on the more charismatic ministers to gel with the public, because he's not a people's person, he will struggle to bond with the public, a quality needed to win elections, unfortunately he does not have that quality. No this is the last, last, last, last, last chance saloon, how many will you give them? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 25, 2022 9:11:44 GMT
They are at the last chance saloon, I think the wake up call came when they gave a graph showing how disastrous it would be for the Tories if they held a GE right now, they'd almost be obliterated. Sunak will have to rely on the more charismatic ministers to gel with the public, because he's not a people's person, he will struggle to bond with the public, a quality needed to win elections, unfortunately he does not have that quality. No this is the last, last, last, last, last chance saloon, how many will you give them? Me?
I don't make up the rules, but I highly suspect that Sunak will be the last Tory Prime Minister if it goes the same way as Truss.
There will be no more picking another leader to replace him, there will be a General Election, and we already know the predicted outcome of that scenario.
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 25, 2022 9:13:33 GMT
Sunak will have to rely on the more charismatic ministers to gel with the public, because he's not a people's person, he will struggle to bond with the public, a quality needed to win elections, unfortunately he does not have that quality. I don't know. The public overall rated him quite highly until he got caught eating cake at BoJos birthday bash. I think the public and Tory membership should be separate when saying who will give him a chance. If Sunak becomes unpopular it won't be due to his charisma. It will be because he had to make difficult choices to sort out Truss's mess. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 25, 2022 9:33:25 GMT
What do they know that we don’t? Indians bask in Rishi Sunak’s rise to powerMedia claim the new prime minister as one of their own Narendra Modi, the prime minister of India, sent his “special Diwali wishes to the living bridge of UK Indians” after Rishi Sunak’s success made headlines in his ancestors’ homeland. Newspapers and broadcasters suggested it was propitious that his victory came on Diwali, the annual festival that marks the victory of light over darkness and is the most important celebration in the Hindu calendar. MA Ibrahimi, a former chief secretary of Bihar state, tweeted in a reference to the country’s colonial past: “Revenge of history as well. Destiny.” Sunak’s rise to become the UK’s first British-Asian prime minister has been hailed in India’s media. “Rishi Sunak, a ‘proud Hindu’, is new UK PM,” proclaimed the country’s leading newspaper, The Times of India, in its live commentary, which added that his victory could not have come on a better day than that of Diwali. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 25, 2022 11:53:32 GMT
Encouraging signs thatthis will be a serious government not looking for conflict and culture wars as Rees Mogg will not be part of the cabinet having presumably been offered at best a demotion. Good.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 25, 2022 12:06:24 GMT
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 25, 2022 12:09:35 GMT
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