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Post by Dan Dare on May 22, 2023 10:56:59 GMT
Most blacks in London hail from Africa, not N.America, and will have no mental knowledge of slavery or its knock-on effects (unless their ancestors were enslaved by other Africans). You're offering a particularly thin and threadbare rationale for something you know would be immediately banned if a white theatre group tried it on. I am not getting through to you, that is made obvious by your comments that misrepresent my posts. If you mean your arguments are failing to persuade, then I would agree. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 22, 2023 10:58:35 GMT
It’s a desperate attempt to justify racism against white people . I'm not trying to justify any racism. I'm AGAINST All racism of any form. I'm against the black only audience the same as I would be against a white only audience. I hope that's clear. I don't think the likes of you and a few others actually understand or can define 'racism' I will give you a example.
Excluding a white audience from a all black event is 'racist', just like if any venue said 'No blacks in the audience' it would be a race hate crime.
Cottoning on yet?
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Post by andrewbrown on May 22, 2023 10:59:11 GMT
I'm not trying to justify any racism. I'm AGAINST All racism of any form. I'm against the black only audience the same as I would be against a white only audience. I hope that's clear. When was that, about 1600 or so? It is nonsense like that statement that eggs on the black people and gives them a sense of grievance that doesn't help anyone, least of all them. YOU…”1970s. No blacks, Irish or dogs was commonplace.” You seem to be making excuses for it . No, I wasn't alive in 1600. I've been against all racism since I was born, in the 1970s. Is that clearer? Now stop saying I'm trying to justify black racism because I'm doing the opposite. |
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Post by Vinny on May 22, 2023 10:59:40 GMT
If apartheid is ever officially introduced in the UK it will be under the excuse of creating 'safe spaces' for ethnic minorities.
But it would still be apartheid.
And it would be absolutely abhorrent to do such a thing.
Apartheid is evil.
There should be no racial barriers in society.
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Post by andrewbrown on May 22, 2023 11:01:30 GMT
I'm not trying to justify any racism. I'm AGAINST All racism of any form. I'm against the black only audience the same as I would be against a white only audience. I hope that's clear. I don't think the likes of you and a few others actually understand or can define 'racism' I will give you a example.
Excluding a white audience from a all black event is 'racist', just like if any venue said 'No blacks in the audience' it would be a race hate crime.
Cottoning on yet?
Did you actually read my last post? I'm not justifying it at all. That's just Bentley's misinterpretation. |
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Post by Bentley on May 22, 2023 11:03:25 GMT
When was that, about 1600 or so? It is nonsense like that statement that eggs on the black people and gives them a sense of grievance that doesn't help anyone, least of all them. YOU…”1970s. No blacks, Irish or dogs was commonplace.” You seem to be making excuses for it . No, I wasn't alive in 1600. I've been against all racism since I was born, in the 1970s. Is that clearer? Now stop saying I'm trying to justify black racism because I'm doing the opposite. I never said you was alive in 1600. You made a statement ( that you cannot support anyway) that alluded to an excuse for blacks sense of grievance . You never qualified it by condemning the racism by the theatre group . Do you condemn the racism by the theatre group ? If so why post a statement ( that you can’t support) that seems to be mitigating it? |
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Post by see2 on May 22, 2023 11:04:11 GMT
I am not getting through to you, that is made obvious by your comments that misrepresent my posts. If you mean your arguments are failing to persuade, then I would agree. They don't just fail, they are completely ignored, so not much point in attempting to debate. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 22, 2023 11:04:42 GMT
I don't think the likes of you and a few others actually understand or can define 'racism' I will give you a example.
Excluding a white audience from a all black event is 'racist', just like if any venue said 'No blacks in the audience' it would be a race hate crime.
Cottoning on yet?
Did you actually read my last post? I'm not justifying it at all. That's just Bentley's misinterpretation. So can you actually post, and spit it out.
'Yes it's racist'
Then we wont misinterpret what you say.
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Post by andrewbrown on May 22, 2023 11:06:11 GMT
Yes, it's racist.
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Post by Handyman on May 22, 2023 11:12:39 GMT
There is at least one photograph. Just the one apparently. The original is held in the Irish Studies Centre at London Metropolitan University where it has been since it was acquired in the early 80s - some 30 years after the alleged events in question. This is it:
It has of course been endlessly re-circulated across the internet and reappears whenever this question re-surfaces. As far as I'm aware, Professor Bruce's appeal in the Guardian (see my earlier post) for more examples to be shown has remained unanswered.
I agree with you , my wife is Irish and most of our friends are it was difficult to find accommodation but when asking to rent a room in North London you would be told by the Landlord face to face no room at the Inn, black people even more so, none of them can remember seeing such signs, that is why an unscrupulous property owner whose name I have forgotten that owned many dilapidated houses in Notting Hill made millions by packing lots of black people in for years, eventually if I recall correctly he ended up in Court What I did see on in the early 70's in pub windows and doors in North London most of which were run or owned by Irish Landlords were signs saying " No Travellers Gypsies " |
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Post by see2 on May 22, 2023 11:13:08 GMT
The show is about a satirical by the descendants of coloured slaves in America now being shown in the UK. It is not about European slaves taken into Muslim slave markets. CONTEXT !It was factually correct in context, but your closed mind and fixed opinions rule you once again, and allow you to convince / delude yourself which you find quite easy to do. BYE. You made a factuality incorrect statement and are trying to mitigate it with a plea that your incorrect statement is ok because its within context ? Durr..🙄 Well done, that's the point, it is correct when used in context. Context: The circumstances that form the setting for an event or a statement. Are you are bright enough to understand that ^^^? |
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Post by Bentley on May 22, 2023 11:14:30 GMT
Just the one apparently. The original is held in the Irish Studies Centre at London Metropolitan University where it has been since it was acquired in the early 80s - some 30 years after the alleged events in question. This is it:
It has of course been endlessly re-circulated across the internet and reappears whenever this question re-surfaces. As far as I'm aware, Professor Bruce's appeal in the Guardian (see my earlier post) for more examples to be shown has remained unanswered.
I agree with you , my wife is Irish and most of our friends are it was difficult to find accommodation but when asking to rent a room in North London you would be told by the Landlord face to face no room at the Inn, black people even more so, none of them can remember seeing such signs, that is why an unscrupulous property owner whose name I have forgotten that owned many dilapidated houses in Notting Hill made millions by packing lots of black people in for years, eventually if I recall correctly he ended up in Court What I did see on in the early 70's in pub windows and doors in North London most of which were run or owned by Irish Landlords were signs saying " No Travellers Gypsies " Peter Rachman? |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 22, 2023 11:15:31 GMT
As late as the 1980s it was quite common to see notices 'Interdits aux Nord-Africains' on shop doors and windows in Antwerp.
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Post by Bentley on May 22, 2023 11:16:54 GMT
You made a factuality incorrect statement and are trying to mitigate it with a plea that your incorrect statement is ok because its within context ? Durr..🙄 Well done, that's the point, it is correct when used in context. Context: The circumstances that form the setting for an event or a statement. Are you are bright enough to understand that ^^^? You are not bright enough to realise that a incorrect claim doesn’t become factual when the context changes . You are seriously becoming a bore now . Move on . |
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Post by Toreador on May 22, 2023 11:32:13 GMT
As late as the 1980s it was quite common to see notices 'Interdits aux Nord-Africains' on shop doors and windows in Antwerp. In the 40s, 50s and before the war signs saying No blacks, No gypsies, No Irish could be seen on pubs and room to let houses; there were reasons. |
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