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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 10:39:26 GMT
Ironic
I bet you any money that if you talked today to any fishermen from Grimsby or Falmouth, they would welcome with open arms any new agreement which would turn the clock back, and make exporting to Europe easier and seamless.
Crab, Lobster, Prawn and other types of fishermen have faced huge headaches ever since we left the European Union, exporting is now more complicated, involves lots of red tape, certificates and is more costly.
The irony is that despite what UK fishermen were told, and what they believed, they are today WORSE OFF, with some sectors now finished alltogether.
How on earth does it make any sense to create obstacles to a market which buys 80% of everything we catch ?
Like the NHS, the Fishing Industry was promised a "Golden Dawn" and like everything else since leaving the EU, they are both worse off.
The Tory Civil War spilled over to the wider electorate, it was the cause of the 2016 referendum, even though leaving the EU was nowhere near the top of the list of Peoples Priorities, it was done to try and passify the war in the Tory Party, and we have all suffered because of it.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 14, 2023 10:50:08 GMT
IronicI bet you any money that if you talked today to any fishermen from Grimsby or Falmouth, they would welcome with open arms any new agreement which would turn the clock back, and make exporting to Europe easier and seamless. Crab, Lobster, Prawn and other types of fishermen have faced huge headaches ever since we left the European Union, exporting is now more complicated, involves lots of red tape, certificates and is more costly. The irony is that despite what UK fishermen were told, and what they believed, they are today WORSE OFF, with some sectors now finished alltogether. How on earth does it make any sense to create obstacles to a market which buys 80% of everything we catch ? Like the NHS, the Fishing Industry was promised a "Golden Dawn" and like everything else since leaving the EU, they are both worse off. The Tory Civil War spilled over to the wider electorate, it was the cause of the 2016 referendum, even though leaving the EU was nowhere near the top of the list of Peoples Priorities, it was done to try and passify the war in the Tory Party, and we have all suffered because of it. none of which changes the fact that all these issues were created by an EU hell bent on crucifying us because we refused to dance to their tune And what fishing industry might that be anyway. We have no fishing industry it was stolen by spaniards. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 12:19:33 GMT
IronicI bet you any money that if you talked today to any fishermen from Grimsby or Falmouth, they would welcome with open arms any new agreement which would turn the clock back, and make exporting to Europe easier and seamless. Crab, Lobster, Prawn and other types of fishermen have faced huge headaches ever since we left the European Union, exporting is now more complicated, involves lots of red tape, certificates and is more costly. The irony is that despite what UK fishermen were told, and what they believed, they are today WORSE OFF, with some sectors now finished alltogether. How on earth does it make any sense to create obstacles to a market which buys 80% of everything we catch ? Like the NHS, the Fishing Industry was promised a "Golden Dawn" and like everything else since leaving the EU, they are both worse off. The Tory Civil War spilled over to the wider electorate, it was the cause of the 2016 referendum, even though leaving the EU was nowhere near the top of the list of Peoples Priorities, it was done to try and passify the war in the Tory Party, and we have all suffered because of it. none of which changes the fact that all these issues were created by an EU hell bent on crucifying us because we refused to dance to their tune And what fishing industry might that be anyway. We have no fishing industry it was stolen by spaniards. Oh I could go on and on about the fishing industry, because its in the blood, its in the family The only things which destroyed our fishing industry was fishermen themselves, it was over-fishing, ignorance, and the lack of understanding about sustainability. If anyone ever asks you when did North Sea stocks first begin depleting - the answer is "when Trawlers were invented", to be more precise "Steam Trawlers". If the EU has done anything, it has taught fishermen from Western Europe the importance of conservation and sustainability. Fish stocks are now safe THANKS to European measures, and the fishing industry now has a rosey future, but it would be made much better if the UK was part of the European Economic Area (EEA). |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 14, 2023 12:26:06 GMT
none of which changes the fact that all these issues were created by an EU hell bent on crucifying us because we refused to dance to their tune And what fishing industry might that be anyway. We have no fishing industry it was stolen by spaniards. Oh I could go on and on about the fishing industry, because its in the blood, its in the family The only things which destroyed our fishing industry was fishermen themselves, it was over-fishing, ignorance, and the lack of understanding about sustainability. If anyone ever asks you when did North Sea stocks first begin depleting - the answer is "when Trawlers were invented", to be more precise "Steam Trawlers". If the EU has done anything, it has taught fishermen from Western Europe the importance of conservation and sustainability. Fish stocks are now safe THANKS to European measures, and the fishing industry now has a rosey future, but it would be made much better if the UK was part of the European Economic Area (EEA). Yes you could fiddler and still know Jack shit what you were talking about |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 14, 2023 12:46:10 GMT
Oh I could go on and on about the fishing industry, because its in the blood, its in the family The only things which destroyed our fishing industry was fishermen themselves, it was over-fishing, ignorance, and the lack of understanding about sustainability. If anyone ever asks you when did North Sea stocks first begin depleting - the answer is "when Trawlers were invented", to be more precise "Steam Trawlers". If the EU has done anything, it has taught fishermen from Western Europe the importance of conservation and sustainability. Fish stocks are now safe THANKS to European measures, and the fishing industry now has a rosey future, but it would be made much better if the UK was part of the European Economic Area (EEA). Yes you could fiddler and still know Jack shit what you were talking about Not so sure about that. I spent a certain amount if my first undergraduate year in fishermans wellingtons measuring pollution in molluscs in tbe Severn Estuary so i know a BIT about 18th and 19th century overfishing, but maybe Sid subscribes to Nature like i used to along with New Scientist, because …. www.nature.com/articles/ncomms1013But the problem is europhile politicians gave a habit if lying through their teeth on their contribution to the world. Perhaps the finest example of that was Verhofstadt preaching that the EU has avoided world wars when in fact the UK has not once, but twice had to declare war on one or more of the six original EEC signatories to protect two or more of them from the warmongering of the ones we declared war on. So whilst i’m happy to reciprocate sid’s recent agreement with something i said by putting these figures from past centuries up firboerusal, i’m off to dig up what moira’s colleagues in the welsh office were doing about fishing quotas pre ‘73 …. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 14, 2023 13:18:08 GMT
none of which changes the fact that all these issues were created by an EU hell bent on crucifying us because we refused to dance to their tune And what fishing industry might that be anyway. We have no fishing industry it was stolen by spaniards. Oh I could go on and on about the fishing industry, because its in the blood, its in the family The only things which destroyed our fishing industry was fishermen themselves, it was over-fishing, ignorance, and the lack of understanding about sustainability. If anyone ever asks you when did North Sea stocks first begin depleting - the answer is "when Trawlers were invented", to be more precise "Steam Trawlers". If the EU has done anything, it has taught fishermen from Western Europe the importance of conservation and sustainability. Fish stocks are now safe THANKS to European measures, and the fishing industry now has a rosey future, but it would be made much better if the UK was part of the European Economic Area (EEA). Sounds like you were sitting by a stream with a tiddler net; now listen up. I live near Grimsby and am a frequent visitor there. I went to UKIP meetings there and know plenty of fishermen, trawler owners and seamen. Fish stocks are down due mainly to bottom dragging EU trawlers that we wanted to stop but then became a blackmailing feature of our leaving the EU. An even worse situation has occurred along the Southern Mediterranean, so bad that Many North African fishermen long ago gave up and sold their boats; the same thing is happening off the African west coast for the very same reason of overfishing and bad fishing mainly by EU trawlers. It's not just fish that are affected, it's crustaceans and other marine life that relies on the ocean bed for life. Now go peddle your concocted stories elsewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 13:21:59 GMT
I remember as a lad of 14 or 15, my Grandfather making predictions for what the future holds, and this was in the 1970s.
He was a fisherman until the outbreak of war, where, due to his experience went to serve on the Arctic Convoys, but he was an inshore fisherman, the traditional type of fisherman, and he predicted that if Trawlers were allowed to continue on the same way "there will be nowt left to fish" he said.
He was correct, if the EU had not introduced Quota's and conservation measures, there would indeed have been no fish left.
You cannot keep on Trawling up fish out of the sea on an industrial scale, and was laughable to listen to idiots like Farage blame the EU.
Today, here in the Northeast, the industry has changed, and it has a future, the emphasis is more on Shellfish, Prawn, Lobster, Crab, and sustainability, there are several new Hatcheries, which guarantee a future for the industry, employing people, keeping a traditional way of life going.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 13:35:05 GMT
Oh I could go on and on about the fishing industry, because its in the blood, its in the family The only things which destroyed our fishing industry was fishermen themselves, it was over-fishing, ignorance, and the lack of understanding about sustainability. If anyone ever asks you when did North Sea stocks first begin depleting - the answer is "when Trawlers were invented", to be more precise "Steam Trawlers". If the EU has done anything, it has taught fishermen from Western Europe the importance of conservation and sustainability. Fish stocks are now safe THANKS to European measures, and the fishing industry now has a rosey future, but it would be made much better if the UK was part of the European Economic Area (EEA). Sounds like you were sitting by a stream with a tiddler net; now listen up. I live near Grimsby and am a frequent visitor there. I went to UKIP meetings there and know plenty of fishermen, trawler owners and seamen. Fish stocks are down due mainly to bottom dragging EU trawlers that we wanted to stop but then became a blackmailing feature of our leaving the EU. An even worse situation has occurred along the Southern Mediterranean, so bad that Many North African fishermen long ago gave up and sold their boats; the same thing is happening off the African west coast for the very same reason of overfishing and bad fishing mainly by EU trawlers. It's not just fish that are affected, it's crustaceans and other marine life that relies on the ocean bed for life. Now go peddle your concocted stories elsewhere. "Bottom dragging" is carried out mainly by "Scallopers" ( beam netters ), and what they do is damage the sea bed, and harm the habitat for Crab and Lobster, but they do little harm to stocks of White Fish ( Cod, Haddock, Whiting etc ). Scallopers or Beam Trawlers are not that common here up North, and what few there are, are mostly BRITISH Beam Trawlers from the South Coast where Beam Trawling and Scalloping is traditional. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 14, 2023 23:12:43 GMT
Oh I could go on and on about the fishing industry, because its in the blood, its in the family The only things which destroyed our fishing industry was fishermen themselves, it was over-fishing, ignorance, and the lack of understanding about sustainability. If anyone ever asks you when did North Sea stocks first begin depleting - the answer is "when Trawlers were invented", to be more precise "Steam Trawlers". If the EU has done anything, it has taught fishermen from Western Europe the importance of conservation and sustainability. Fish stocks are now safe THANKS to European measures, and the fishing industry now has a rosey future, but it would be made much better if the UK was part of the European Economic Area (EEA). ; now listen up. I live near Grimsby and am a frequent visitor there. I went to UKIP meetings there and know plenty of fishermen, trawler owners and seamen. Fish stocks are down due mainly to bottom dragging EU trawlers that we wanted to stop but then became a blackmailing feature of our leaving the EU. An even worse situation has occurred along the Southern Mediterranean, so bad that Many North African fishermen long ago gave up and sold their boats; the same thing is happening off the African west coast for the very same reason of overfishing and bad fishing mainly by EU trawlers. It's not just fish that are affected, it's crustaceans and other marine life that relies on the ocean bed for life. Now go peddle your concocted stories elsewhere. That’s why the EUSSR invented Micro-Mesh nets. Those bloody things have done more damage to the environment than any conventual nets. And then just to take the piss the EUSSR made our fishenmen throw the undersized fish back into the Ocean. Of course after they had been trawled up the fish were bloody dead anyway. In Scotland alone they threw more tons of dead fish back than they were allowed to keep. Like everything the EUSSR touches or does it rapidly turns to shit. EDIT….And the EUSSR are still using vacuum trawling which is yet another form of environmental vandalism. The Frogs don’t use them in their waters but are using them illegally in our waters. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 14, 2023 23:32:29 GMT
Here’s a bit of education on Scolloping
Scallops generally live in large clusters deep on the sandy ocean floor, far from coral reefs (which are generally in shallow waters) and many of the life forms you’re familiar with such as sponge, urchins, and most types of fish. Most things that get caught in dredger nets besides scallops are starfish and rocks, which fishermen are often required by law to toss back into the ocean along with underdeveloped and undersized scallops to promote sustainable fishing. There are also limits to how many scallops each vessel can take in yearly, called quotas, and selling small or undersized scallops can result in fines since it diminishes their numbers.
It’s relatively rare for anything other than scallops, starfish, rocks, and the occasional clam or crab to get caught in the nets. And, as I stated, the fishermen are required to return them to the ocean. This is a very heavily regulated industry. Do also keep in mind that a single scallop can produce over 200,000,000 eggs in its lifetime, and many are hermaphroditic and can switch between male and female. As such, their reproduction rate is quite high, and eggs are far too small to get caught in the dredger nets.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 15, 2023 6:23:17 GMT
You are kidding? the whole time we were part of the EU nobody gave a flying one about the fishermen, Greenpeace were about the only ones who did anything including lobbying the EU constantly about its fishing policy and dropping huge boulders to stop the trawlers wiping out areas designated as left as sustainable grounds. Admittedly this was more part of their global green beliefs, but even so they were doing something, while the EU have still tried to wipe out the UK fishing industry on behalf of their own fleets. All they are saying is by voting Brexit it was made easier for them.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 15, 2023 6:30:48 GMT
You are kidding? the whole time we were part of the EU nobody gave a flying one about the fishermen, Greenpeace were about the only ones who did anything including lobbying the EU constantly about its fishing policy and dropping huge boulders to stop the trawlers wiping out areas designated as left as sustainable grounds. Admittedly this was more part of their global green beliefs, but even so they were doing something, while the EU have still tried to wipe out the UK fishing industry on behalf of their own fleets. All they are saying is by voting Brexit it was made easier for them. And thatcher along with the Frogs was consplicit in the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior in Frogland. |
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Post by distant on Jun 20, 2023 7:36:51 GMT
You are kidding? the whole time we were part of the EU nobody gave a flying one about the fishermen, Greenpeace were about the only ones who did anything including lobbying the EU constantly about its fishing policy and dropping huge boulders to stop the trawlers wiping out areas designated as left as sustainable grounds. Admittedly this was more part of their global green beliefs, but even so they were doing something, while the EU have still tried to wipe out the UK fishing industry on behalf of their own fleets. All they are saying is by voting Brexit it was made easier for them. And thatcher along with the Frogs was consplicit in the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior in Frogland. The Rainbow Warrior was sunk on the Auckland waterfront in New Zealand, not Frogland, wherever that is. It was blown up by the French secret service but I never knew Thatcher was involved, although it wouldn't surprise me. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 20, 2023 7:47:42 GMT
And thatcher along with the Frogs was consplicit in the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior in Frogland. The Rainbow Warrior was sunk on the Auckland waterfront in New Zealand, not Frogland, wherever that is. It was blown up by the French secret service but I never knew Thatcher was involved, although it wouldn't surprise me. Thankyou for correcting me I forgot it was in NZ there was quite a storm afterwards about how they thought thatcher was complicit in the sinking. I guess that is still under OFSA and can be kept a secret for as long as they wish. |
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