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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 15:09:14 GMT
Reform UK are the only party that can bring this country round. All the others have ever proved they can't make the grade. I'm unsure if any democratically elected government can. The civil service is the acting unelected dictatorship that is blocking the democratic will of the people whilst a grinning unelected PM proves his incompetence and treachery. As we already know the civil service and Labour have been working together to undermine the wishes of the people, as seen by the deflection to their party, whilst the Tories would rather see their party destroyed than grow a spine.
We have fools on this forum who can't move beyond their moronic Tory/Labour mindset, where they actively support the unelected dictatorship and cheer for the betrayal of democracy and betrayal of the people.
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Post by thomas on May 14, 2023 15:10:54 GMT
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Post by thomas on May 14, 2023 15:14:07 GMT
Reform UK are the only party that can bring this country round. All the others have ever proved they can't make the grade. reform uk are nothing more than an english pressure group , and didnt i read they made little progress in the recent english elections? Not sure tice is cutting it.
Im not sayng there shouldnt be political change in terms of parties and system for that westmsinter , but just that a reinvented brexit ukip dont seem to be the party to do it.
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Post by thomas on May 14, 2023 15:16:44 GMT
Reform UK are the only party that can bring this country round. All the others have ever proved they can't make the grade.
We have fools on this forum who can't move beyond their moronic Tory/Labour mindset, where they actively support the unelected dictatorship and cheer for the betrayal of democracy and betrayal of the people.
like who ? the vast majority on this site from what i see are open minded on new parties , while being fully pragmatic on what they have to do come the next uk general election. Most of the tories on this site are now openly abandoning their party , and only sid and see 2 seem stuck to the latest labour reincarnation. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 15:20:50 GMT
Reform UK are the only party that can bring this country round. All the others have ever proved they can't make the grade. reform uk are nothing more than an english pressure group , and didnt i read they made little progress in the recent english elections? Not sure tice is cutting it.
Im not sayng there shouldnt be political change in terms of parties and system for that westmsinter , but just that a reinvented brexit ukip dont seem to be the party to do it.
Anything is now possible, the two-party system is fully exposed and that's why the Tories lost a lot whilst Labour made no gains. The good people are shifting, but I can also see that democracy is being denied to the UK through extreme corruption that is apparently bigger than the elected government. Those who hate this country, and there's a lot of them on this odd forum, sock-puppet or not, will no doubt cheer on the dictatorship just as they support the destruction of the United Kingdom. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 15:28:32 GMT
Not that long ago it was Labour which was involved in a Civil War, but then when you look all the way back through the history of the Labour Party, there has always been turbulence between Moderates and Far Left.
To me, it looks like theres a chasm opening up between traditional Tories and the new breed of Populists who are more prone to focus on Culture Wars than on meaningful politics.
Maybe the Tories will undergo some form of shifting process wherby a split might take place, a traditional Right of centre Conservative Party + a more Right wing populist party, perhaps taking on board the Tice's and Farage's of this world.
Its not only what the public CAN SEE, its also what we CANNOT SEE, and I know for certain that the civil war is going on at all levels in the Tory Party now, and its quite vicious.
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Post by see2 on May 14, 2023 15:31:13 GMT
When the Tories go Labour will inherit the chaos now and will be defeated by it. New politics will be born, we cant go on like this. All of it needs to be slung into a skip.
Labour couldn't run a whelk stall let alone a country. And that assumes that they could even get elected and frankly I can't see that even more wokery and votes for foreigners are going to be popular with the electorate.
I think Adolph would have agreed with you, but most people understand that Adolf was a class 'A' denigrator and a liar. |
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Post by thomas on May 14, 2023 15:32:59 GMT
reform uk are nothing more than an english pressure group , and didnt i read they made little progress in the recent english elections? Not sure tice is cutting it.
Im not sayng there shouldnt be political change in terms of parties and system for that westmsinter , but just that a reinvented brexit ukip dont seem to be the party to do it.
Anything is now possible, the two-party system is fully exposed and that's why the Tories lost a lot whilst Labour made no gains. The good people are shifting, but I can also see that democracy is being denied to the UK through extreme corruption that is apparently bigger than the elected government. Those who hate this country, and there's a lot of them on this odd forum, sock-puppet or not, will no doubt cheer on the dictatorship just as they support the destruction of the United Kingdom. now b4 you have been told already by the mods about inferring people are sock puppets. Dont make puerile accusations. Take proof top the mods , or haud yet wheesht.
Simply because people dont agree with your personal view doesnt make them supporters of dictatorships as you put it.
you brexiters have done more fucking damage to the so called united kingdom than the german luftwaffe and wehrmacht managed in a world war.
You hyperbole and excitable descriptions about destruction and dictatorships in that contecxt is fucking laughable.
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Post by thomas on May 14, 2023 15:35:34 GMT
Not that long ago it was Labour which was involved in a Civil War, but then when you look all the way back through the history of the Labour Party, there has always been turbulence between Moderates and Far Left. To me, it looks like theres a chasm opening up between traditional Tories and the new breed of Populists who are more prone to focus on Culture Wars than on meaningful politics. Maybe the Tories will undergo some form of shifting process wherby a split might take place, a traditional Right of centre Conservative Party + a more Right wing populist party, perhaps taking on board the Tice's and Farage's of this world. Its not only what the public CAN SEE, its also what we CANNOT SEE, and I know for certain that the civil war is going on at all levels in the Tory Party now, and its quite vicious. you are probably correct sid. The only problem is labour are part of the uk problems not the solution to those problems as we will see if/when starmer takes power.
At the minute , you get to hide beihnd the tory and snp implosion pointing fingers and laughing. Thats fine. In the next 18 months or so , the spotlight is going to be firmly on starmer , and demands for concrete policy , and we will see how he performs then .
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Post by see2 on May 14, 2023 15:37:56 GMT
Reform UK are the only party that can bring this country round. All the others have ever proved they can't make the grade. So where are these right-wing parties "that have made the grade"? The Problem with right wing parties is they promise sweeties and just might might deliver the odd one, it is the long term damage of right-wing politics that is the problem. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 15:45:51 GMT
Anything is now possible, the two-party system is fully exposed and that's why the Tories lost a lot whilst Labour made no gains. The good people are shifting, but I can also see that democracy is being denied to the UK through extreme corruption that is apparently bigger than the elected government. Those who hate this country, and there's a lot of them on this odd forum, sock-puppet or not, will no doubt cheer on the dictatorship just as they support the destruction of the United Kingdom. now b4 you have been told already by the mods about inferring people are sock puppets. Dont make puerile accusations. Take proof top the mods , or haud yet wheesht.
Simply because people dont agree with your personal view doesnt make them supporters of dictatorships as you put it.
you brexiters have done more fucking damage to the so called united kingdom than the german luftwaffe and wehrmacht managed in a world war.
You hyperbole and excitable descriptions about destruction and dictatorships in that contecxt is fucking laughable.
Why would I care about the opinion of those who hate this country and want to end the UK? I was merely telling you that it's isn't actually over for the people you want to see betrayed by an unelected dictatorship. Also, the word isn't actually banned, and wasn't directed to anyone, but you can run to Monte if you like. He'll keep you safe. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 14, 2023 15:52:44 GMT
The Conservative Party is about to go into a civil war, and all over the European Union ( some things never change ) Rishi Sunak was losing control of an increasingly anarchic Tory party on Saturday as former cabinet ministers openly criticised the direction of policy under his leadership and dozens of backbench MPs plotted a new rebellion over Brexit. Amid recriminations over the heavy Conservative losses in recent council elections, and with pro-Brexit MPs incensed that Sunak’s government is dropping plans to shred more than 4,000 EU laws within months, discipline was at risk of completely disintegrating on the right of the party. I predicted a long time ago the EU would take as long to dismantle as it took to construct in the first place. You mention 4000 laws within months - lol. Think that one through. How long does it take them to pass one law? To repeal a law means you have to examine all the consequences and put in place replacement legislation. You see a lot of EU law replaced old British law. We did it one way, they do it another way so they "harmonise" us. Now it really doe not follow that to reverse it you just cancel the law. You might end up with a legal system which could be exploited, especially in areas to do with trade law. |
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Post by Toreador on May 14, 2023 15:54:03 GMT
Reform UK are the only party that can bring this country round. All the others have ever proved they can't make the grade. I'm unsure if any democratically elected government can. The civil service is the acting unelected dictatorship that is blocking the democratic will of the people whilst a grinning unelected PM proves his incompetence and treachery. As we already know the civil service and Labour have been working together to undermine the wishes of the people, as seen by the deflection to their party, whilst the Tories would rather see their party destroyed than grow a spine.
We have fools on this forum who can't move beyond their moronic Tory/Labour mindset, where they actively support the unelected dictatorship and cheer for the betrayal of democracy and betrayal of the people.
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Post by thomas on May 14, 2023 16:06:13 GMT
now b4 you have been told already by the mods about inferring people are sock puppets. Dont make puerile accusations. Take proof top the mods , or haud yet wheesht.
Simply because people dont agree with your personal view doesnt make them supporters of dictatorships as you put it.
you brexiters have done more fucking damage to the so called united kingdom than the german luftwaffe and wehrmacht managed in a world war.
You hyperbole and excitable descriptions about destruction and dictatorships in that contecxt is fucking laughable.
Why would I care about the opinion of those who hate this country and want to end the UK? I was merely telling you that it's isn't actually over for the people you want to see betrayed by an unelected dictatorship. Also, the word isn't actually banned, and wasn't directed to anyone, but you can run to Monte if you like. He'll keep you safe. you can whine all day long. You can bleat about sock puppets all day long. You can moan about moderators all day long. you wont shut down debate on this or any other forum by doing so. In fact , it normally ends rather badly for the idiots who cant hold a debate , and have to resort to such childish and infantile tactics by attacking the man , rather than playing the ball.
I dont think anyone on this forum needs a moderator to protect them from a muppet like you b4. a snotty nosed teenager could take you apart in seconds. Its fun watching you stumble from thread to thread ranting aout how unfair the world is , while lashing out at your latest conspiracy theory and the mysterious individuals in the dark.
who says you should? This is a political debating forum. Not a right wing jerk circle for the mentally incapacitated . We are here to debate opinions. Not rub your right wing brusied and battered ego.
i dont support the uk as it stands. As far as i know , no one hates the uk , and only myself moray and jaydee support its ending.
Many more support the uk continuation , but want massive reform. Most though from what i see dont necessarily agree with your puerile views , and can actually hold a debate unlike you .
Now do you want to debate , or sit and sulk ?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 16:08:27 GMT
I'm unsure if any democratically elected government can. The civil service is the acting unelected dictatorship that is blocking the democratic will of the people whilst a grinning unelected PM proves his incompetence and treachery. As we already know the civil service and Labour have been working together to undermine the wishes of the people, as seen by the deflection to their party, whilst the Tories would rather see their party destroyed than grow a spine.
We have fools on this forum who can't move beyond their moronic Tory/Labour mindset, where they actively support the unelected dictatorship and cheer for the betrayal of democracy and betrayal of the people.
Reform of the Civil Service is a key policy of Reform UK. Failing that a civil uprising. When the majority of the electorate are facing this level of betrayed I can see it kicking off.
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