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Post by patman post on May 13, 2023 13:15:09 GMT
you must admit despite all the diversions , the eu de facto taking northern ireland has been a global embarressment to the uk. You can dress it up however you like , but it was all so predictable... Indeed. And I suspect that it's been allowed to run this course in order to make the process of re-unification easier. The UK wants shot of NI. If that's so, the Tories wasted have their time (and will be made to look foolish) by changing the national identifier from GB to UK (according to a spokesman for the Department of Transport in 2021) symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government... |
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Post by thomas on May 13, 2023 13:19:23 GMT
perhaps , but if so , they could have found a less embarressing way of doing it. Being internationally ridiculed by brussells , dublin and washington with bidens daily quips on not trusting the brits is humiliating .
As i said , after clowns like frost let barnier hem the uk in over the irish border , a prime minister with a bit of foresight and vision might have offered the irish a referendum on unity to solve the border. If they vote out , problem solved. If they vote to stay in uk , border down the six counties problem solved.
By doing nothing , they let everyone else dictate events , and made themselves look weak and timid.
I bet the russians would fancy their chances with the surrender monkeys in london. Now we hear behind the scenes the knives are apparently out for sunak. No wonder.
Well, so you say. However, I think it's clear that we will end up back in the Customs Union if not back in the EU sooner or later. It's inevitable. It's what all of our politicos want. It's what I want because it's problem solved: NI can do what it likes, as can Scotland. We'll all be be part of the same trading block. There'll be no borders, no trade interruptions, no fuckery. We'll just stop subsidising you lot.
So Biden, Barnier and the Nats can all laugh away: We'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
As usual, you would appear not to have thought this through.  i thought it through perfectly squeaky. Even in the brexit vote in 2016 , my vote was cast not on eu membership , but how best to further scottish independence. i cast the dice , and they landed perfectly. 
As i said before , one way or the other , the uk will be no more. Its an irrelevance. An out of date absurdity. the little uk is either going to break apart , ( as has already been happening this past century) or its going to be swallowed whole by the bigger and more glorious european union.
Im happy either way. As a proud european first and foremost , regaining my european union membership means the world to me.
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Post by bancroft on May 13, 2023 13:21:14 GMT
We can't fight the Russians without making hundreds of Nukes and ICBMs and we are not going to do that as in any exchange we are so relatively small, we would be destroyed. So we can only act under the umbrella of the USA.
Thatcher was the only one that acted independently since '56 and Suez.
Sunak is under pressure in a big way as won't dump the 'tourist tax' which is seen to cost £3bn of taxation though may create 70-80k of jobs.
He is clearly frightened about the economy as we keep sending arms to Ukraine to curry favour with the USA and we keep raising rates to as they do and also as the EU does almost like the old electronic game, 'Simon says'.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 13, 2023 13:34:27 GMT
Well, so you say. However, I think it's clear that we will end up back in the Customs Union if not back in the EU sooner or later. It's inevitable. It's what all of our politicos want. It's what I want because it's problem solved: NI can do what it likes, as can Scotland. We'll all be be part of the same trading block. There'll be no borders, no trade interruptions, no fuckery. We'll just stop subsidising you lot. So Biden, Barnier and the Nats can all laugh away: We'll be laughing all the way to the bank. As usual, you would appear not to have thought this through. i thought it through perfectly squeaky. Even in the brexit vote in 2016 , my vote was cast not on eu membership , but how best to further scottish independence. i cast the dice , and they landed perfectly. As i said before , one way or the other , the uk will be no more. Its an irrelevance. An out of date absurdity. the little uk is either going to break apart , ( as has already been happening this past century) or its going to be swallowed whole by the bigger and more glorious european union. Im happy either way. As a proud european first and foremost , regaining my european union membership means the world to me.
Then we're all getting what we want, Tommy. You seem to be forgetting our long-standing bi-lateral agreement with Ireland, with whom we've always enjoyed freedom of movement. Hence we've always maintained that there would be no border and it's only the EU that's getting antsy about that. So I'm not sure why you think that anyone's being ridiculed or embarassed by it. Well, apart from the Jocks maybe: After all, NI gets to enjoy the best of both worlds and the Jock's don't. Still, who said life was fair? LOL! |
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Post by thomas on May 13, 2023 13:36:11 GMT
We can't fight the Russians without making hundreds of Nukes and ICBMs and we are not going to do that as in any exchange we are so relatively small, we would be destroyed. So we can only act under the umbrella of the USA. Thatcher was the only one that acted independently since '56 and Suez. Sunak is under pressure in a big way as won't dump the 'tourist tax' which is seen to cost £3bn of taxation though may create 70-80k of jobs. He is clearly frightened about the economy as we keep sending arms to Ukraine to curry favour with the USA and we keep raising rates to as they do and also as the EU does almost like the old electronic game, 'Simon says'. good post mate. Totally agree. |
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Post by thomas on May 13, 2023 13:43:47 GMT
i thought it through perfectly squeaky. Even in the brexit vote in 2016 , my vote was cast not on eu membership , but how best to further scottish independence. i cast the dice , and they landed perfectly. As i said before , one way or the other , the uk will be no more. Its an irrelevance. An out of date absurdity. the little uk is either going to break apart , ( as has already been happening this past century) or its going to be swallowed whole by the bigger and more glorious european union. Im happy either way. As a proud european first and foremost , regaining my european union membership means the world to me.
Then we're all getting what we want, Tommy. You seem to be forgetting our long-standing bi-lateral agreement with Ireland, with whom we've always enjoyed freedom of movement. Hence we've always maintained that there would be no border and it's only the EU that's getting antsy about that. So I'm not sure why you think that anyone's being ridiculed or embarassed by it. Well, apart from the Jocks maybe: After all, NI gets to enjoy the best of both worlds and the Jock's don't. Still, who said life was fair? LOL! i tell you squeaky you tory brexiters are all over the place. You are even now deserting yor party and brexit dream like rats scurrying off a sinking ship.
brilliant squeaks. So what you are saying is scotland , like the independent european republic of ireland , would also be in the CTA , have freedom of movement with englandshire after indy and upon efta,eu membership , and all those border guard stories at gretna was all a big misunderstanding?
I tell you squeaky , i dont fink you brit nats have thought these scare stories through have you?
I fucking love colonel blimp types , and brexit gammons. If there are a more stupid fucking people around ive yet to meet them.
i know squeaky. Brexit and the return of the empire ,and forays once again by gun boat up the nile , and instead you were slapped down internationally , and had ulster taken off you. I can see why you try and put a brave face on the embarressment of it all.
ssshhh squeaky. You are going to upset all the pro europeans in scotland , and get them to vote for independence. 
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2023 14:20:59 GMT
We can't fight the Russians without making hundreds of Nukes and ICBMs and we are not going to do that as in any exchange we are so relatively small, we would be destroyed. So we can only act under the umbrella of the USA. Thatcher was the only one that acted independently since '56 and Suez. Sunak is under pressure in a big way as won't dump the 'tourist tax' which is seen to cost £3bn of taxation though may create 70-80k of jobs. He is clearly frightened about the economy as we keep sending arms to Ukraine to curry favour with the USA and we keep raising rates to as they do and also as the EU does almost like the old electronic game, 'Simon says'. Which is futile, considering the USA shits on everyone to get what they want. They have no respect for democracy or sovereignty abroad, or anything else that doesn't directly benefit them. |
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Post by thomas on May 13, 2023 14:32:19 GMT
We can't fight the Russians without making hundreds of Nukes and ICBMs and we are not going to do that as in any exchange we are so relatively small, we would be destroyed. So we can only act under the umbrella of the USA. Thatcher was the only one that acted independently since '56 and Suez. Sunak is under pressure in a big way as won't dump the 'tourist tax' which is seen to cost £3bn of taxation though may create 70-80k of jobs. He is clearly frightened about the economy as we keep sending arms to Ukraine to curry favour with the USA and we keep raising rates to as they do and also as the EU does almost like the old electronic game, 'Simon says'. Which is futile, considering the USA shits on everyone to get what they want. They have no respect for democracy or sovereignty abroad, or anything else that doesn't directly benefit them. if might be, but as bancroft earlier hinted , the uk has hung onto the coatails of america for decades , since probably the end of the empire. In return for the uk being washinngtons puppet , the americans defend whats left of the uks overseas interests as long as the brits tow the line.
fully agree with bancrofts post , and further , the sycophant servile attitude displayed by most uk prime ministers for years now is another public embarressment and shows how far the uk has fallen.
To my mind , i can only recall three uk politicians standing up to the americans while the rest lick spittled.
Thatcher. Galloway. Salmond.
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Post by buccaneer on May 13, 2023 14:50:21 GMT
Thomas fighting his proxy battle with the Brits through the Irish again. Maybe our resident SNAT needs to understand "Leprechaun economics" before believing the face of the Irish economy as a huge tax haven that distorts its GDP figures. Have a read Tommy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leprechaun_economicsNobody believes our GDP numbers any more, not after a 26 per cent jump in 2015, which was famously derided as "leprechaun economics". Even the CSO cautions against viewing last year's [2017] 7.8 per cent jump as a reflection of real economic activity— The Irish Times, 17 March 2018And with this extra fake GDP Irish taxpayers have to pay more into EU coffers. As an example, Ireland pays the second highest contributions per capita into the EU's Corona virus recovery fund - an economy that size shouldn't be paying more than Germany or France.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2023 14:57:32 GMT
Thomas fighting his proxy battle with the Brits through the Irish again. Maybe our resident SNAT needs to understand "Leprechaun economics" before believing the face of the Irish economy as a huge tax haven that distorts its GDP figures. Have a read Tommy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leprechaun_economicsNobody believes our GDP numbers any more, not after a 26 per cent jump in 2015, which was famously derided as "leprechaun economics". Even the CSO cautions against viewing last year's [2017] 7.8 per cent jump as a reflection of real economic activity
— The Irish Times, 17 March 2018It is a relatively new and experimental economy, where before Ireland was far more protectionist. It could easily explode. |
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Post by thomas on May 13, 2023 15:12:23 GMT
Thomas fighting his proxy battle with the Brits through the Irish again. Maybe our resident SNAT needs to understand "Leprechaun economics" before believing the face of the Irish economy as a huge tax haven that distorts its GDP figures. Have a read Tommy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leprechaun_economicsNobody believes our GDP numbers any more, not after a 26 per cent jump in 2015, which was famously derided as "leprechaun economics". Even the CSO cautions against viewing last year's [2017] 7.8 per cent jump as a reflection of real economic activity— The Irish Times, 17 March 2018And with this extra fake GDP Irish taxpayers have to pay more into EU coffers. As an example, Ireland pays the second highest contributions per capita into the EU's Corona virus recovery fund - an economy that size shouldn't be paying more than Germany or France. so the irish are telling lies about the state of their economy , and the uk , which of course has an economy in fine fettle ,and would never tell porkie pies about anything , should expect a diplomatic mission from dublin any minute begging for a return to the uk?
I tell you buccy , the comedians on this forum get funnier every day. To think some of you potentially have the vote .
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2023 15:15:08 GMT
^^ A shameless deflection from the fact.
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Post by thomas on May 13, 2023 15:28:28 GMT
Thomas fighting his proxy battle with the Brits through the Irish again. Maybe our resident SNAT needs to understand "Leprechaun economics" before believing the face of the Irish economy as a huge tax haven that distorts its GDP figures. Have a read Tommy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leprechaun_economicsNobody believes our GDP numbers any more, not after a 26 per cent jump in 2015, which was famously derided as "leprechaun economics". Even the CSO cautions against viewing last year's [2017] 7.8 per cent jump as a reflection of real economic activity— The Irish Times, 17 March 2018And with this extra fake GDP Irish taxpayers have to pay more into EU coffers. As an example, Ireland pays the second highest contributions per capita into the EU's Corona virus recovery fund - an economy that size shouldn't be paying more than Germany or France. meanwhile buccy back on planet earth..
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2023 15:58:33 GMT
It's dependent on its low corporation tax and foreign corporate investment. If they decided to float elsewhere the Irish economy would most likely crumble. It's a volatile economy.
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Post by bancroft on May 13, 2023 16:14:52 GMT
We can't fight the Russians without making hundreds of Nukes and ICBMs and we are not going to do that as in any exchange we are so relatively small, we would be destroyed. So we can only act under the umbrella of the USA. Thatcher was the only one that acted independently since '56 and Suez. Sunak is under pressure in a big way as won't dump the 'tourist tax' which is seen to cost £3bn of taxation though may create 70-80k of jobs. He is clearly frightened about the economy as we keep sending arms to Ukraine to curry favour with the USA and we keep raising rates to as they do and also as the EU does almost like the old electronic game, 'Simon says'. Which is futile, considering the USA shits on everyone to get what they want. They have no respect for democracy or sovereignty abroad, or anything else that doesn't directly benefit them. Well if the Brics are seriously threatening that may open up more elbow room further down the line yet you need to consider the EU wants to see us fail and so if we were too independent the US and EU banks could sell Sterling short. We would be in trouble in that scenario. Of course if other countries break from the EU or the US breaks because of political polarisation this may become less of an risk. |
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