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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 14:30:26 GMT
hiya bancroft. Not sure what you mean ? Perhaps a link to what you are talking about.?
In the twenty six independent counties , you pay a nominal fee like you do in much of europe for a service you can actually get. In the northern 6 county brit part , you dont pay at the point of use , but have to wait years for an appointment then treatment.
of course , life expectancy in the republic is far higher than the uk especially the british part of the island , so im sure the irish and thier health system must be doing something right....
Healthy life expectancy (HLE) is the number of years someone can expect to live in good health: for NI, the current estimate for HLE is around 62 years while, for Ireland, it is 69.4 years
Ireland has a higher HLE than the UK for both males, where it is 1.1 years more (70.7 years vs 69.6), and females, for whom it is 0.8 years more (71.4 years compared with 70.6).
Well as they pay a higher fee for prescribed drugs many don't bother going. This is normally why GPs do not go on strike as the death normally rate falls. Yet I would like to know how many from the ROI go to hospitals in N.I? sorry not understanding your post in relation to my earlier one.
You made a statement , all im asking is where you got your info from. ? You are asking me now who allegedly goes from the R.O.I to N. I for health tourism , but it was you who earlier made the claim in the first place?
over to you mate.
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Post by bancroft on May 12, 2023 14:40:50 GMT
It came from the aspect of why the IRA were so angry at the prospect of a hard border between ROI and N.I.
It was a TV program with ministers years ago maybe even 2016, then it came out that a number crossed the border to work and then quite a few visited N.I hospitals.
Another thing we provide for Ireland is coverage by the RNLI.
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 14:42:44 GMT
It came from the aspect of why the IRA were so angry at the prospect of a hard border between ROI and N.I. It was a TV program with ministers years ago maybe even 2016, then it came out that a number crossed the border to work and then quite a few visited N.I hospitals. Another thing we provide for Ireland is coverage by the RNLI. i need a link mate ,otherwise im not sure i think its true. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 12, 2023 17:44:58 GMT
Workers in the Republic of Ireland are 40% more productive than those in Northern Ireland, an Oireachtas committee has heard.
In money terms, the gap is even greater, with the Republic of Ireland generating over 50% more per capita than Northern Ireland
Irelands public debt is one of the highest in the world. The Republic of Irelands debt stood at €226 billion, up from €203 billion just prior to the pandemic. This is an estimated 86 per cent of national income. www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/02/03/irelands-public-debt-rises-to-one-of-highest-in-the-world-per-capita/#:~:text=The%20State's%20debt%20stood%20at,per%20cent%20of%20national%20income. "Big enough. Smart enough. Rich enough". LOL don't make me laugh. |
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Post by bancroft on May 12, 2023 18:08:32 GMT
A lot of the multi-nats went there after Brexit so lifting the ROIs average income yet this distorts the average as they don't employ many.
Also a growing number of ROI are getting concerned about levels of immigration.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 12, 2023 20:05:36 GMT
A lot of the multi-nats went there after Brexit so lifting the ROIs average income yet this distorts the average as they don't employ many. Also a growing number of ROI are getting concerned about levels of immigration. Indeed. In 2008 Taoiseach Brian Cowen declared the Celtic Tiger was dead, he said people do not realise how bad the public finances are. Which is why Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain (Known as the Piigs) are owned by the EU. |
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Post by wapentake on May 13, 2023 9:09:50 GMT
A lot of the multi-nats went there after Brexit so lifting the ROIs average income yet this distorts the average as they don't employ many. Also a growing number of ROI are getting concerned about levels of immigration. Indeed. In 2008 Taoiseach Brian Cowen declared the Celtic Tiger was dead, he said people do not realise how bad the public finances are. Which is why Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain (Known as the Piigs) are owned by the EU. So what you’re saying is soon part of the UK will be ruled by Brussels,hang on. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 13, 2023 9:55:28 GMT
Except that it won't actually be part of the UK because it'll be Ireland.
(Thank fuck).
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Post by thomas on May 13, 2023 12:06:53 GMT
Workers in the Republic of Ireland are 40% more productive than those in Northern Ireland, an Oireachtas committee has heard.
In money terms, the gap is even greater, with the Republic of Ireland generating over 50% more per capita than Northern Ireland
Irelands public debt is one of the highest in the world. The Republic of Irelands debt stood at €226 billion, up from €203 billion just prior to the pandemic. This is an estimated 86 per cent of national income. www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/02/03/irelands-public-debt-rises-to-one-of-highest-in-the-world-per-capita/#:~:text=The%20State's%20debt%20stood%20at,per%20cent%20of%20national%20income. "Big enough. Smart enough. Rich enough". LOL don't make me laugh. Eh?
Irelands debt to GDP ratio is less than the uk mate . Irelands is 58.8% , while the uk is 81 % , and predicted to grow even larger putting it into the three figure club for the first time since the end of the second world war.
The uks debt is over 2.2 trillion in comparison . The uks lack of credibility compared to ireland can be seen in the rising levels of interest the uk pays on its collosul debts , and the continued decline of sterling.
Perhaps thats why the imf had to step in at one point to save the uk , you begged to join the then EEC as the empire fell apart , and since 1945 , have only paid back a mere 1.7 % of your debts.
Tell me red. I ask again. If ireland is such a financial basket case , why isnt it asking to come back under the protection of mother england? I mean it would have saved all the hassle with the irish border , and stopped the european union taking northern ireland off you?
Your economy is tanking without the economic safety of the european union , losing an estimated 4 % of gdp per year , and the uk is predicted to suffer one of the worst recessions in the developed world.
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Post by thomas on May 13, 2023 12:08:31 GMT
A lot of the multi-nats went there after Brexit so lifting the ROIs average income yet this distorts the average as they don't employ many. what? Despite red mocking the irish , you mean brexit was such a boon it took a lot of business away from london to dublin? The plot thickens!!! |
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Post by thomas on May 13, 2023 12:16:40 GMT
A lot of the multi-nats went there after Brexit so lifting the ROIs average income yet this distorts the average as they don't employ many. Also a growing number of ROI are getting concerned about levels of immigration. Indeed. In 2008 Taoiseach Brian Cowen declared the Celtic Tiger was dead, he said people do not realise how bad the public finances are. Which is why Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain (Known as the Piigs) are owned by the EU. I seem to remember a few years later , after the uk economy crashed , cameron and osbourne running over with the begging bowl to the irish begging them to bail out the banks that were entertwined with uk banks , begging them to take a loan , and even sending queenie over for a visit and a sorry about all the problems in the past.
Didnt cameron echo blair and once again apologise for bloody sunday in 72 ?
I tell you red. With the state of the uk finances and economy in meltdown , this forum gets more hilarious by the day when folk start looking for international diversions to cover the tories arses and the state they have the economy in.
Prior to brexit , the uk economy was 90 % the size of germanys , and despite the germans suffering covid and ukraine and all the other global problems to a lesser or greater degree , the uk economy is now 70 % the size of germanys and shrinking.
Thats rich . The uk is owned by everyone. If you arent having the EU and dublin taking northern ireland off you to international ridicule , you are off begging the chinese to build nuclear power stations , or the americans are dictating your foreign policy.
I sometimes wonder why we bother electing anyone to westmisnter , when we should have a vote for the yank president instead.
The british armed forces are nothing more than a small regiment in the american military , and have been for decades.
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Post by thomas on May 13, 2023 12:21:53 GMT
Except that it won't actually be part of the UK because it'll be Ireland. (Thank fuck). you must admit despite all the diversions , the eu de facto taking northern ireland has been a global embarressment to the uk. You can dress it up however you like , but it was all so predictable.
Watching clowns like lord frost being rag dolled on a daily basis by barnier must have been a humbling experience for brexiters.
Not only have the eu taken over northern ireland in all but name , but the daft british are paying circa £12 billion per annum for the pleasure of letting them do so , more than the cost of eu membership.
Deadly serious , i said from day one the uk cannot afford anymore of its delusions of grandeur , have to accept the empire in the emerald isle is all but over , and should have offered the northern irish a referendum on irish unity. This would have solved the border issue from day one either way.
Not to mention saved the hard pressed uk taxpayer from westmisnter delusions of grandeur in the 6 counties.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 13, 2023 12:30:09 GMT
you must admit despite all the diversions , the eu de facto taking northern ireland has been a global embarressment to the uk. You can dress it up however you like , but it was all so predictable... Indeed. And I suspect that it's been allowed to run this course in order to make the process of re-unification easier. The UK wants shot of NI. |
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Post by thomas on May 13, 2023 12:41:22 GMT
you must admit despite all the diversions , the eu de facto taking northern ireland has been a global embarressment to the uk. You can dress it up however you like , but it was all so predictable... Indeed. And I suspect that it's been allowed to run this course in order to make the process of re-unification easier. The UK wants shot of NI. perhaps , but if so , they could have found a less embarressing way of doing it. Being internationally ridiculed by brussells , dublin and washington with bidens daily quips on not trusting the brits is humiliating .
As i said , after clowns like frost let barnier hem the uk in over the irish border , a prime minister with a bit of foresight and vision might have offered the irish a referendum on unity to solve the border. If they vote out , problem solved. If they vote to stay in uk , border down the six counties problem solved.
By doing nothing , they let everyone else dictate events , and made themselves look weak and timid.
I bet the russians would fancy their chances with the surrender monkeys in london. Now we hear behind the scenes the knives are apparently out for sunak. No wonder.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 13, 2023 13:13:22 GMT
Indeed. And I suspect that it's been allowed to run this course in order to make the process of re-unification easier. The UK wants shot of NI. perhaps , but if so , they could have found a less embarressing way of doing it. Being internationally ridiculed by brussells , dublin and washington with bidens daily quips on not trusting the brits is humiliating .
As i said , after clowns like frost let barnier hem the uk in over the irish border , a prime minister with a bit of foresight and vision might have offered the irish a referendum on unity to solve the border. If they vote out , problem solved. If they vote to stay in uk , border down the six counties problem solved.
By doing nothing , they let everyone else dictate events , and made themselves look weak and timid.
I bet the russians would fancy their chances with the surrender monkeys in london. Now we hear behind the scenes the knives are apparently out for sunak. No wonder.
Well, so you say. However, I think it's clear that we will end up back in the Customs Union if not back in the EU sooner or later. It's inevitable. It's what all of our politicos want. It's what I want because it's problem solved: NI can do what it likes, as can Scotland. We'll all be be part of the same trading block. There'll be no borders, no trade interruptions, no fuckery. We'll just stop subsidising you lot.
So Biden, Barnier and the Nats can all laugh away: We'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
As usual, you would appear not to have thought this through.  |
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