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Post by Dan Dare on May 11, 2023 9:45:16 GMT
Someone should remind Welby that he is an unelected vicar speaking from an unelected house. That doesn't mean he is wrong. As some Tory MPs have asked: 'What is moral about people smuggling?' |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 9:49:37 GMT
If the UK government wishes to follow international law, including the UN Charter for refugees, then if a person or persons choose the UK as their place of asylum, and if that asylum application is accepted for consideration, then WHY would we send them to another country on another continent. ?
The very first rule in considering anything should surely be "Common Sense"
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Post by Dan Dare on May 11, 2023 9:54:55 GMT
If the UK government wishes to follow international law, including the UN Charter for refugees, then if a person or persons choose the UK as their place of asylum, and if that asylum application is accepted for consideration, then WHY would we send them to another country on another continent. ? The very first rule in considering anything should surely be "Common Sense" The Convention on Refugees does not place any restrictions on how a receiving country should handle claimants whose claim is rejected, with the single exception of 'non-refoulement'. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 9:59:23 GMT
Put it this way he is not a politician he is an Archbishop with a view and has been asked to give that view in the HoL, that is why he is there. Who asked him to poke his nose in?
He is not there to poke his nose in to government policies, he's got his own platform to do that, if he wants to give his 'opinions' on matters that don't concern him he's got his own place of worship he can do that from, I didn't notice him poking his nose in and wanting his voice to be heard when it came to historic child sex abuse within the Church, is this the same outspoken Justin Welby we are talking about?... can't be surely.
Of course he and the others in the HoLs are. Why do you think they are there? |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 10:00:29 GMT
Regardless of anyones opinions on the House Of Lords, the fact is that it is what it is, and members of the House may speak and vote on government legislation. The Archbishop of Canterbury is first and foremost a Christian leader, and his opinions are based on his Christian beliefs. REmember that old name for the Conservatives ? "The Nasty Party" The Archbishop of Canterbury is answerable to only one Lord, not 778 imposters, using the House of 'Lords' as his pulpit to deliver his sermons is totally inappropriate, if people want Religious sermons there are places of worship you go to , the House of Lords is not one of them. Are you trying to be stupid because you are well on course. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 10:01:57 GMT
Utter Rubbish True Christians will always speak up, and stand up for their beliefs and principles, no matter where they are, especially if they believe that wrong is been committed. A real Christian would not be true to their faith if they did not speak out on issues involving injustices. So what's the injustice of sending illegal criminal boat people to a holiday complex in Rwanda, with food, drink, accommodation, swimming pool, gym, and other leisure facilities, I could be describing a Jet2 holiday, only difference being they are getting it for .... F R E E
Come and see us if these illegal criminal boat people are being sent to inhumane concentration camps, then we will have a serious discussion.
The only injustice is Justin goes home to Lambeth Palace, where he live like a King, has he offered to fill his palace full of these illegal criminal boat people?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 10:03:03 GMT
That doesn't mean he is wrong. As some Tory MPs have asked: 'What is moral about people smuggling?' As other Tory MPs have asked what is right about blaming the victims because of the criminals? |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 11, 2023 10:09:42 GMT
According to media reports, these people are willing pay thousands to be 'victimised'. They don't see themselves as victims anymore than do the customers of drug dealers.
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Post by Fairsociety on May 11, 2023 10:40:43 GMT
So what's the injustice of sending illegal criminal boat people to a holiday complex in Rwanda, with food, drink, accommodation, swimming pool, gym, and other leisure facilities, I could be describing a Jet2 holiday, only difference being they are getting it for .... F R E E
Come and see us if these illegal criminal boat people are being sent to inhumane concentration camps, then we will have a serious discussion.
The only injustice is Justin goes home to Lambeth Palace, where he live like a King, has he offered to fill his palace full of these illegal criminal boat people?
You have just crossed the line into the twilight zone. So like many other lefty woke snowflakes you haven't even bothered to find out what sort of complex they are being sent to, you just want to shout your outraged lefty anger because it's a Tory policy, typical of most lefty looneys. |
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Post by om15 on May 11, 2023 10:51:26 GMT
I'm not too worried about Welby, his views are pretty irrelevant, he appears to be taking the side of those who do not respect Christianity and so should be ignored.
I am more worried about the new King that we have been lumbered with, he is anti slavery, fully woke, likes immigration and doesn't like cars, I might respect his position if he flogged off the Duchy of Cornwall and gave the proceeds to the less well off in society, but he is not likely to do that is he.
I hope that a thousand or so immigrants are housed in Poundbury and lets hear the call to prayer four times a day in his own backyard.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 10:56:32 GMT
According to media reports, these people are willing pay thousands to be 'victimised'. They don't see themselves as victims anymore than do the customers of drug dealers. As did the Jews in Germany in the 30s. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 11, 2023 10:58:25 GMT
According to media reports, these people are willing pay thousands to be 'victimised'. They don't see themselves as victims anymore than do the customers of drug dealers. As did the Jews in Germany in the 30s. Wow that must be one of the most ignorant, uneducated posts to-date. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 10:59:48 GMT
You have just crossed the line into the twilight zone. So like many other lefty woke snowflakes you haven't even bothered to find out what sort of complex they are being sent to, you just want to shout your outraged lefty anger because it's a Tory policy, typical of most lefty looneys. I have no problem with them being sent to a 'safe' third country, Rwanda is not, when the have been processed and failed in an asylum request. What I object to is the government stripping them of their right to claim asylum against international law. You appear to be happy that we could soon be joining a club that includes Russia and the like. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 11, 2023 11:00:04 GMT
Archbishop of Canterbury condemns Illegal Migration Bill in LordsThe Archbishop of Canterbury will make a rare intervention in the House of Lords on Wednesday, to condemn the Government’s Illegal Migration Bill as it faces its first test in the upper chamber. Justin Welby will argue against the flagship legislation aimed at ensuring people who arrive in the UK in small boats would be detained and promptly removed, either to their home country or a third country such as Rwanda. The intervention, first reported in the i, would mark his second major rebuke of the Government’s treatment of migrants and asylum seekers. youtu.be/66WRbQmW6EISomeone should remind Welby that he is an unelected vicar speaking from an unelected house. He gets paid to virtue signal. He also believes in sky fairies hence his opinions should therefore be weighed with both of those in mind. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 11:00:30 GMT
As did the Jews in Germany in the 30s. Wow that must be one of the most ignorant, uneducated posts to-date. Show me I am wrong please. |
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