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Post by Red Rackham on May 11, 2023 0:55:01 GMT
Behave yourself. What are you suggesting, pouring £billions into Syria or Afghanistan just to look virtuous while people in this country are struggling to pay energy bills? Not to look virtuous, to stem the flow of refugees. We were happy enough to pour billions into fighting wars in the ME. Now we are reaping what we sowed. Monte, stop talking bollox there's a good chap. The only reason lefties are allowed to refer to Albanian gangsters as refugees is because of 70 year old legislation that is no longer fir for purpose, which for some unfathomable reason the government are frightened to repeal. |
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Post by Montegriffo on May 11, 2023 1:03:52 GMT
Not to look virtuous, to stem the flow of refugees. We were happy enough to pour billions into fighting wars in the ME. Now we are reaping what we sowed. Monte, stop talking bollox there's a good chap. The only reason lefties are allowed to refer to Albanian gangsters as refugees is because of 70 year old legislation that is no longer fir for purpose, which for some unfathomable reason the government are frightened to repeal. I never mentioned Albanians. Stop deflecting dear boy. You can deport as many Albanians as you want with my blessings but stop trying to criminalise genuine refugees. Process asylum seekers as quickly as possible and send the economic migrants home but respect international law and grant asylum to the genuine refugees. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on May 11, 2023 1:18:15 GMT
Welby is a psychotic depressive. His Christian faith is a crutch that keeps his psyche from falling apart. Without "God's love" he'd descend into despair.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 11, 2023 1:41:49 GMT
Monte, stop talking bollox there's a good chap. The only reason lefties are allowed to refer to Albanian gangsters as refugees is because of 70 year old legislation that is no longer fir for purpose, which for some unfathomable reason the government are frightened to repeal. I never mentioned Albanians. Stop deflecting dear boy. You can deport as many Albanians as you want with my blessings but stop trying to criminalise genuine refugees. Process asylum seekers as quickly as possible and send the economic migrants home but respect international law and grant asylum to the genuine refugees. I didn't say you referred to Albanians, pay attention there's good chap. But this is the point, you say we can deport as many Albanians as we like, but we cant. Left wing human rights lawyers use 70 year old legislation to stop the government deporting Albanian gangsters. They are briefed in France by left wing English charities exactly what to say once they step onto an English beach. The first rule being ditch any form of ID. And when 36 year old Afrim who is a wanted for murder in Albania Sweden and Belgium lands on a Kent beach, and tearfully say's he's a 19 year old refugee from Syria, he is instantly believed because weak spineless lefties are in charge. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 11, 2023 7:24:16 GMT
You overestimate the number of people who share your obsession. Obsession? You may have to elaborate... You don't post about anything else! 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 7:25:32 GMT
Someone should remind Welby that he is an unelected vicar speaking from an unelected house. Which means he is not allowed an opinion? |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 11, 2023 7:50:45 GMT
Someone should remind Welby that he is an unelected vicar speaking from an unelected house. Which means he is not allowed an opinion? More than that, the bishops are there to provide moral and ethical guidance. That IS their jobs. The Government is of course free to ignore it if they so wish, because they are not bothered about morals and ethics. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 11, 2023 7:54:46 GMT
Someone should remind Welby that he is an unelected vicar speaking from an unelected house. Which means he is not allowed an opinion? Put it another way how many of us would want our politicians preaching religion to us, I suspect none of us.
They are not employed on our behalf for religious sermons, just like Welby job description does not include meddling in politics, we have far too many people including sports pundits who want to be wannabe politicians, if that's the case they must give up the day job and follow their calling.
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Post by walterpaisley on May 11, 2023 8:09:39 GMT
I'm as much in favour of an elected second house as most, but for the time being, and given that the chamber has always included the "Lords Spiritual", Welby has as much a right to be heard as anyone.
Obviously, the church has always had Social Justice at the core of its brand. In our town, churches coordinate the food bank, support our refugee projects, run befriending schemes, warm space drop-ins, and lunch clubs.
I may be an atheist, but I'm the first to admit that religious organisations (of ALL faiths) often do a cracking service to society.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 8:24:26 GMT
Which means he is not allowed an opinion? Put it another way how many of us would want our politicians preaching religion to us, I suspect none of us.
They are not employed on our behalf for religious sermons, just like Welby job description does not include meddling in politics, we have far too many people including sports pundits who want to be wannabe politicians, if that's the case they must give up the day job and follow their calling.
Put it this way he is not a politician he is an Archbishop with a view and has been asked to give that view in the HoL, that is why he is there. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 11, 2023 8:29:27 GMT
Put it another way how many of us would want our politicians preaching religion to us, I suspect none of us.
They are not employed on our behalf for religious sermons, just like Welby job description does not include meddling in politics, we have far too many people including sports pundits who want to be wannabe politicians, if that's the case they must give up the day job and follow their calling.
Put it this way he is not a politician he is an Archbishop with a view and has been asked to give that view in the HoL, that is why he is there. Who asked him to poke his nose in?
He is not there to poke his nose in to government policies, he's got his own platform to do that, if he wants to give his 'opinions' on matters that don't concern him he's got his own place of worship he can do that from, I didn't notice him poking his nose in and wanting his voice to be heard when it came to historic child sex abuse within the Church, is this the same outspoken Justin Welby we are talking about?... can't be surely.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 9:09:37 GMT
Regardless of anyones opinions on the House Of Lords, the fact is that it is what it is, and members of the House may speak and vote on government legislation.
The Archbishop of Canterbury is first and foremost a Christian leader, and his opinions are based on his Christian beliefs.
REmember that old name for the Conservatives ? "The Nasty Party"
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Post by Fairsociety on May 11, 2023 9:17:22 GMT
Regardless of anyones opinions on the House Of Lords, the fact is that it is what it is, and members of the House may speak and vote on government legislation. The Archbishop of Canterbury is first and foremost a Christian leader, and his opinions are based on his Christian beliefs. REmember that old name for the Conservatives ? "The Nasty Party" The Archbishop of Canterbury is answerable to only one Lord, not 778 imposters, using the House of 'Lords' as his pulpit to deliver his sermons is totally inappropriate, if people want Religious sermons there are places of worship you go to , the House of Lords is not one of them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 9:22:57 GMT
Regardless of anyones opinions on the House Of Lords, the fact is that it is what it is, and members of the House may speak and vote on government legislation. The Archbishop of Canterbury is first and foremost a Christian leader, and his opinions are based on his Christian beliefs. REmember that old name for the Conservatives ? "The Nasty Party" The Archbishop of Canterbury is answerable to only one Lord, not 778 imposters, using the House of 'Lords' as his pulpit to deliver his sermons is totally inappropriate, if people want Religious sermons there are places of worship you go to , the House of Lords is not one of them. Utter Rubbish True Christians will always speak up, and stand up for their beliefs and principles, no matter where they are, especially if they believe that wrong is been committed. A real Christian would not be true to their faith if they did not speak out on issues involving injustices. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 11, 2023 9:36:23 GMT
The Archbishop of Canterbury is answerable to only one Lord, not 778 imposters, using the House of 'Lords' as his pulpit to deliver his sermons is totally inappropriate, if people want Religious sermons there are places of worship you go to , the House of Lords is not one of them. Utter Rubbish True Christians will always speak up, and stand up for their beliefs and principles, no matter where they are, especially if they believe that wrong is been committed. A real Christian would not be true to their faith if they did not speak out on issues involving injustices. So what's the injustice of sending illegal criminal boat people to a holiday complex in Rwanda, with food, drink, accommodation, swimming pool, gym, and other leisure facilities, I could be describing a Jet2 holiday, only difference being they are getting it for .... F R E E
Come and see us if these illegal criminal boat people are being sent to inhumane concentration camps, then we will have a serious discussion.
The only injustice is Justin goes home to Lambeth Palace, where he live like a King, has he offered to fill his palace full of these illegal criminal boat people?
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