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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 18:05:00 GMT
Yes sandypine, but there appears to be no evidence that these republicans were disruptive or were intent on causing a nuisance, or spoiling other peoples enjoyment, otherwise I would agree with you. You never answered my earlier post sid. So what do you think ? Will labour be propped up to rule over england by the SNP at the next election ?
No - thats my opinion in a nutshell Kier Starmer will not be held to ransome by the SNP in their pursuit of another referendum, I am certain of that. But what I would say is that in January 2020, a few weeks after the 2019 general election, things looked pretty bleak for Labour, a humiliating defeat and a huge Conservative majority, no one in their heart of hearts believed that Labour could turn things around by the time of the 2024 general election. But bit by bit, slownly but steadily, Kier Starmer has transformed Labour, and winning the general election next year IS well within reach. Voting is always different in local elections as compared to a general election, the locals say 9% lead ( which takes us to Labour been the largest party ), but 15% in National Polls ( a Labour majority ). If Starmer makes the same progress in the final 17 / 18 months, as over ther last three and a half years, then you will kiss the Tories goodbye. But heres the other thing ... whats actually going to happen to the SNP ? www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23499037.labour-pull-ahead-snp-regional-list-vote-according-new-poll/ |
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Post by thomas on May 6, 2023 18:19:21 GMT
You never answered my earlier post sid. So what do you think ? Will labour be propped up to rule over england by the SNP at the next election ?
No - thats my opinion in a nutshell Kier Starmer will not be held to ransome by the SNP in their pursuit of another referendum, I am certain of that. But what I would say is that in January 2020, a few weeks after the 2019 general election, things looked pretty bleak for Labour, a humiliating defeat and a huge Conservative majority, no one in their heart of hearts believed that Labour could turn things around by the time of the 2024 general election. But bit by bit, slownly but steadily, Kier Starmer has transformed Labour, and winning the general election next year IS well within reach. Voting is always different in local elections as compared to a general election, the locals say 9% lead ( which takes us to Labour been the largest party ), but 15% in National Polls ( a Labour majority ). If Starmer makes the same progress in the final 17 / 18 months, as over ther last three and a half years, then you will kiss the Tories goodbye. But heres the other thing ... whats actually going to happen to the SNP ? www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23499037.labour-pull-ahead-snp-regional-list-vote-according-new-poll/im not sure its fair on the english labour climbing into bed with a scottish party sid , to rule over england. Of course that for the english to think about though.
Whats clear is you have made little headway across the uk since trussgate last year , aye you won the locals in england, but by far less than you should with the greens and liberals taking more extra seats than labour .
Experts spell out caveat after shock poll puts Labour ahead of SNP
But pollster Mark McGeoghegan told The National that a quirk in the question used by Redfield & Wilton Strategies was likely to be overinflating the Labour list vote.
The firm posed the question: “If there were to be a Scottish Parliament election tomorrow, which party would you vote for in your second (regional list) vote?”
McGeoghegan said: “In the past few Scottish Parliament elections, pollsters that characterise the regional list vote as a ‘second vote’ have tended to find a lower SNP list vote than there actually is on the day.
“In 2021, pollsters using ‘second vote’ wording underestimated the SNP list vote by an average of 5.3 percentage points, compared to an average error of just 1.4 points among pollsters not using ‘second vote’ wording.
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Post by thomas on May 6, 2023 18:32:38 GMT
scotland also knows that if we want to keep free tuition , then we cant vote in starmers new tuition fee supporting labour. |
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Post by see2 on May 7, 2023 6:52:53 GMT
And some not my king protestors arrested in London this morning. Whether you agree or not they have the right to stand on the sidelines unlike just stop oil who block the highway and get away with it. Yes they have a right to stand "on the sidelines" but they had no reason to other than to expose their nonsense placards. It was IMO just a case of another minority who want to control things, to do things their way. I believe there is a time and a place for most things, but the Coronation of the King is not the time for republicans, anarchists and malcontents to demonstrate against this UK tradition. If for no other reason, they had no chance of changing anything all they did was to expose their ignorance. IMO they appear to be the types who would, perhaps unintentionally, partially at least, open the door of opportunity for referendums and extremism to take control. |
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Post by see2 on May 7, 2023 6:56:03 GMT
scotland also knows that if we want to keep free tuition , then we cant vote in starmers new tuition fee supporting labour. "starmers new tuition fee" What new tuition fee is that? Or are you referring to the continuation of the status quo? |
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Post by wapentake on May 7, 2023 7:35:34 GMT
And some not my king protestors arrested in London this morning. Whether you agree or not they have the right to stand on the sidelines unlike just stop oil who block the highway and get away with it. Yes they have a right to stand "on the sidelines" but they had no reason to other than to expose their nonsense placards. It was IMO just a case of another minority who want to control things, to do things their way. I believe there is a time and a place for most things, but the Coronation of the King is not the time for republicans, anarchists and malcontents to demonstrate against this UK tradition. If for no other reason, they had no chance of changing anything all they did was to expose their ignorance. IMO they appear to be the types who would, perhaps unintentionally, partially at least, open the door of opportunity for referendums and extremism to take control. No other reason? We've had plenty of traditions,there was denying women the vote and of course capital punishment. There’s many things we used to do that aren’t acceptable now and that all took place because of what you call malcontents exposing their ignorance who couldn’t change anything. You might call their beliefs nonsense but for me I’m quite happy to see any protest peacefully,just stop oil and others,I might or might not agree with them but sure as hell defend their right to do so within the law. I now understand your defence of that grinning **** Blair,he who would have had his way with ID cards he is now advocating we have a digital ID imposed on us all for our own good and protection of course nothing to worry about as we track and control you from cradle to grave,what could possibly go wrong? And you cite opening the door to referenda as a problem you mean like the decision to leave the eu,can’t have the plebs exercising their freedoms can we? laughably you also cite extremism what do you think they’d do with those powers exercised yesterday and digital ID? You do know that amongst those arrested were nightstar volunteers which is run by Westminster City council news.sky.com/story/police-arrested-volunteers-handing-out-rape-alarms-over-coronation-disruption-concerns-12875150If we have laws they really do need to be operated without fear or favour,clearly that wasn’t what happened was it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 9:00:55 GMT
It would be interesting to see how many 'monarchists' were arrested for being to noisy, wearing T-shirts with 'God save the King' on or for wearing union flag hats, not union Jack that is a navel term, and how many were arrested for carrying banners.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 9:31:54 GMT
It would be interesting to see how many 'monarchists' were arrested for being to noisy, wearing T-shirts with 'God save the King' on or for wearing union flag hats, not union Jack that is a navel term, and how many were arrested for carrying banners. More navel gazing from our Red Rum.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 9:48:02 GMT
It would be interesting to see how many 'monarchists' were arrested for being to noisy, wearing T-shirts with 'God save the King' on or for wearing union flag hats, not union Jack that is a navel term, and how many were arrested for carrying banners. More navel gazing from our Red Rum. So you, at least do not know.😂 |
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Post by sheepy on May 7, 2023 9:50:14 GMT
More navel gazing from our Red Rum. So you, at least do not know.😂 Well lets hear about it then Red, why would it make any difference? |
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 9:56:32 GMT
scotland also knows that if we want to keep free tuition , then we cant vote in starmers new tuition fee supporting labour. "starmers new tuition fee" What new tuition fee is that? Or are you referring to the continuation of the status quo? What status quo? Scotland has no tuition fees , england does , and starmer wants scotland to have tuition fees . I tell you see 2 , its fun debating with new labour supporters.
back on topic , ......
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 10:01:58 GMT
And some not my king protestors arrested in London this morning. Whether you agree or not they have the right to stand on the sidelines unlike just stop oil who block the highway and get away with it. Yes they have a right to stand "on the sidelines" but they had no reason to other than to expose their nonsense placards. It was IMO just a case of another minority who want to control things, to do things their way. I believe there is a time and a place for most things, but the Coronation of the King is not the time for republicans, anarchists and malcontents to demonstrate against this UK tradition. If for no other reason, they had no chance of changing anything all they did was to expose their ignorance. IMO they appear to be the types who would, perhaps unintentionally, partially at least, open the door of opportunity for referendums and extremism to take control. what a load of absolute horsemanure.
If the coronation of your new king isnt the time for republicans to protest , then when is?
Your country from memory and its media were waffling on about freedom of speech in qatar at the world cup while yesterday the world witnessed the lack of freedom of speech in your own country .The hypocrisy is mindblowing.
its unsurprising you are taking your anti freedom of speech stance when starmer yet again as jenny jones has alluded to tacitly backed the tories public order bill .
linking referendums and extremism? What a surprsie. From the supporter of a party that brought in the anti demcoratic 40 % rule in scotland in 1979 , to not wanting the people to have a say on brexit by referendum , to now linking referendums and extremism.
I mean if you and your party had their way , you would do away with the public having a vote altogether wouldnt you?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 10:04:30 GMT
So you, at least do not know.😂 Well lets hear about it then Red, why would it make any difference? 0 |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2023 10:23:49 GMT
...But bit by bit, slownly but steadily, Kier Starmer has transformed Labour... No he hasn't - the Tories have simply imploded. Labour aren't going to win anything, the Tories are going to lose. Almost no one wants Labour - they're just pissed off with the Tories. Not that it will make one iota of difference either way. |
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Post by sandypine on May 7, 2023 10:37:53 GMT
It would be interesting to see how many 'monarchists' were arrested for being to noisy, wearing T-shirts with 'God save the King' on or for wearing union flag hats, not union Jack that is a navel term, and how many were arrested for carrying banners. That is a matter of debate. The Union Jack is held to be only a naval term, and my wife from a navy town has been told off for referring to the flag as the Union Jack, but it is not settled. Some society said it can be referred to as both but there is no preference. |
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