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Post by Pacifico on May 5, 2023 21:19:04 GMT
Well almost at the end of the counting it is the LibDems who have had the best day - currently a gain of 416 Councillors, which compared to Labours 527 is a very good result. So if the local results transfer to next years GE (which they never do) it's a hung Parliament. The DUP might get rid of the Protocol yet...  |
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Post by thomas on May 6, 2023 12:45:18 GMT
Many political commentators concluded yesterday (Thursday) that Labour would be on course to win the next General Election if the Tories lost 800 seats or more, and if Labour won over 500. With a lot of results yet to come, the Tories have so far lost 841 seats, and Labour have won 440 seats. Where I live, two Tory MPs must now be very worried ... Simon Clarke (Middlesbrough South & East Cleveland) and Jacob Young (Redcar). Middlesbrough has gone from NOC to Labour, and some very prominent Tory names in East Cleveland have been defeated by Labour. Labour and other opposition parties have badly wounded the Tories in the first of two battles, now bring on the next battle, and lets finish them off. I think labour have had a particularly poor local elections in England sid.
Labour took 48 % of the then council seats as the 1997 landslide victory approached.
Yesterday , you took 33.5% of english council seats , despite the turmoil in the tory party , which to put in perspective is less than the 35% of seats labour took under ed milliband in 2014.
I think this is a damning indictment of starmers new labour . People are clearly really pissed off across the uk with the tories , thats a given , but its clear in England , where general elections for the uk are won or lost traditionally , folk just arent convinced with starmers new labour.
Could it be a hung parliament? Not sure , but what i am sure of is keir starmers unfailing ability to shoot himself in both feet with an open goal staring in his face.
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Post by thomas on May 6, 2023 16:02:34 GMT
Scotland could ‘pull the strings’ after next election, says SNP
The local election results make it clear that the SNP could hold the balance of power at the next general election, Stephen Flynn has claimed.
The local election results suggest that the SNP could hold the balance of power at the next general election, the party’s Westminster leader has said.
The SNP’s Stephen Flynn said Friday’s results, which have seen Labour seize key battlegrounds at the expense of Rishi Sunak’s Tories, could suggest that Scotland could be in a position to “pull the strings” of a minority government after the next general election.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has pointed to Friday’s success as a sign that his party is heading towards a majority at the next general election, even if polling experts have been more hesitant in making such predictions.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 6:29:40 GMT
Many political commentators concluded yesterday (Thursday) that Labour would be on course to win the next General Election if the Tories lost 800 seats or more, and if Labour won over 500. With a lot of results yet to come, the Tories have so far lost 841 seats, and Labour have won 440 seats. Where I live, two Tory MPs must now be very worried ... Simon Clarke (Middlesbrough South & East Cleveland) and Jacob Young (Redcar). Middlesbrough has gone from NOC to Labour, and some very prominent Tory names in East Cleveland have been defeated by Labour. Labour and other opposition parties have badly wounded the Tories in the first of two battles, now bring on the next battle, and lets finish them off. I think labour have had a particularly poor local elections in England sid.
Labour took 48 % of the then council seats as the 1997 landslide victory approached.
Yesterday , you took 33.5% of english council seats , despite the turmoil in the tory party , which to put in perspective is less than the 35% of seats labour took under ed milliband in 2014.
I think this is a damning indictment of starmers new labour . People are clearly really pissed off across the uk with the tories , thats a given , but its clear in England , where general elections for the uk are won or lost traditionally , folk just arent convinced with starmers new labour.
Could it be a hung parliament? Not sure , but what i am sure of is keir starmers unfailing ability to shoot himself in both feet with an open goal staring in his face.
The tactical nous of Starmer and those around him is laughable. Days before an election he abandons yet another pledge which he dishonestly made to the membership, thereby both reminding people what a bunch of lying bastards he and his party are and giving the two fingered salute to young people at the same time. Anyone who does that days before an election is an idiot. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 6:51:33 GMT
True, and they've had an 80 seat majority with which to do it. Yet they haven't. The Tories absolutely do not deserve to be re-elected but the alternatives are even worse. We all seem to be being gradually driven to the point where we conclude no one with a chance of winning under our current system is actually worth voting for, and many therefore conclude that democracy itself is not fit for purpose. The ever growing and hardening disconnect between ever larger sections of the public and the democratic process is worrying but the politicians themselves are making it happen. The foundations are potentially being laid for some kind of future authoritarian state if faith in democracy itself collapses. And such things never end well for the people in the end. |
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Post by see2 on May 7, 2023 7:12:52 GMT
I think labour have had a particularly poor local elections in England sid.
Labour took 48 % of the then council seats as the 1997 landslide victory approached.
Yesterday , you took 33.5% of english council seats , despite the turmoil in the tory party , which to put in perspective is less than the 35% of seats labour took under ed milliband in 2014.
I think this is a damning indictment of starmers new labour . People are clearly really pissed off across the uk with the tories , thats a given , but its clear in England , where general elections for the uk are won or lost traditionally , folk just arent convinced with starmers new labour.
Could it be a hung parliament? Not sure , but what i am sure of is keir starmers unfailing ability to shoot himself in both feet with an open goal staring in his face.
The tactical nous of Starmer and those around him is laughable. Days before an election he abandons yet another pledge which he dishonestly made to the membership, thereby both reminding people what a bunch of lying bastards he and his party are and giving the two fingered salute to young people at the same time. Anyone who does that days before an election is an idiot. Ha ha, your pain is almost tangible. The "idiot" you refer to, win or lose, is likely to get far more seats in Parliament than the idiot Corbyn and the out of touch Labour party that you voted for. And that is despite all the lies and mud being slung at him by malcontents and extremists. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2023 9:29:18 GMT
True, and they've had an 80 seat majority with which to do it. Yet they haven't. The Tories absolutely do not deserve to be re-elected but the alternatives are even worse. We all seem to be being gradually driven to the point where we conclude no one with a chance of winning under our current system is actually worth voting for, and many therefore conclude that democracy itself is not fit for purpose. The ever growing and hardening disconnect between ever larger sections of the public and the democratic process is worrying but the politicians themselves are making it happen. The foundations are potentially being laid for some kind of future authoritarian state if faith in democracy itself collapses. And such things never end well for the people in the end.
I completely agree. I elsewhere I said (and was criticised for it) that I don't believe that I've ever lived in a democracy. And I stand by that. Last time around, we voted Tory and got New Labour. This time around, the electorate will allegedly punish (Tory) New Labour by voting in (Labour) New Labour. And nothing will change. They are a consensus and if you disagree with that consensus, you have nowhere (well, nowhere with a cat in hell's chance) to place your vote. We are sleepwalking towards a 1984 scenario, yet most people are still occupied with the faux Punch & Judy show of fptp politics.
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 10:06:57 GMT
I think labour have had a particularly poor local elections in England sid.
Labour took 48 % of the then council seats as the 1997 landslide victory approached.
Yesterday , you took 33.5% of english council seats , despite the turmoil in the tory party , which to put in perspective is less than the 35% of seats labour took under ed milliband in 2014.
I think this is a damning indictment of starmers new labour . People are clearly really pissed off across the uk with the tories , thats a given , but its clear in England , where general elections for the uk are won or lost traditionally , folk just arent convinced with starmers new labour.
Could it be a hung parliament? Not sure , but what i am sure of is keir starmers unfailing ability to shoot himself in both feet with an open goal staring in his face.
The tactical nous of Starmer and those around him is laughable. Days before an election he abandons yet another pledge which he dishonestly made to the membership, thereby both reminding people what a bunch of lying bastards he and his party are and giving the two fingered salute to young people at the same time. Anyone who does that days before an election is an idiot. totally agree steve. His tuition fee u turn has just given the snp a get out of jail free card , not to mention uk wide , enforces the view he is just another tory. Why vote red tory when you can have the real blue tories?
I do wonder if we are headed for a hung parliament?
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 10:23:11 GMT
I think labour have had a particularly poor local elections in England sid.
Labour took 48 % of the then council seats as the 1997 landslide victory approached.
Yesterday , you took 33.5% of english council seats , despite the turmoil in the tory party , which to put in perspective is less than the 35% of seats labour took under ed milliband in 2014.
I think this is a damning indictment of starmers new labour . People are clearly really pissed off across the uk with the tories , thats a given , but its clear in England , where general elections for the uk are won or lost traditionally , folk just arent convinced with starmers new labour.
Could it be a hung parliament? Not sure , but what i am sure of is keir starmers unfailing ability to shoot himself in both feet with an open goal staring in his face.
The tactical nous of Starmer and those around him is laughable. Days before an election he abandons yet another pledge which he dishonestly made to the membership, thereby both reminding people what a bunch of lying bastards he and his party are and giving the two fingered salute to young people at the same time. Anyone who does that days before an election is an idiot. we see it every day steve. Only yesterday the labour branch manager in scotland , anus sarwar , was being ripped apart by the scottish media over his staggering hypocrisy. He was bleating on about tory losses in englands council elections , while his party in scotland are in coalition with the tories at council level and rely on thier support.
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Post by Pacifico on May 7, 2023 10:27:01 GMT
Distinctly possible - if so then I wonder what red meat Starmer will throw at the LibDems for their support.
A referendum on PR perhaps and then another on EU membership?
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Post by andrewbrown on May 7, 2023 11:56:53 GMT
Distinctly possible - if so then I wonder what red meat Starmer will throw at the LibDems for their support. A referendum on PR perhaps and then another on EU membership? Daisy Cooper on Sophie Ridge this morning indicated that voting reform was a high priority, so I think no 1 is likely. I don't see us rejoining the EU anytime soon, but I could see moves towards the single market. |
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 12:49:04 GMT
Distinctly possible - if so then I wonder what red meat Starmer will throw at the LibDems for their support. A referendum on PR perhaps and then another on EU membership? Daisy Cooper on Sophie Ridge this morning indicated that voting reform was a high priority, so I think no 1 is likely. I don't see us rejoining the EU anytime soon, but I could see moves towards the single market. Andrew we have been over this poor attempt at sophistry many times here , and starmers never ending BRINO. Access to the single market i would say is in a majority support , what isnt in majority support is al lthe cons attached to single market access .
If starmer gets in and as predicted moves the uk back into a relationship with the EU behind the brussells bike shed , and calls it single market access , all hell will break loosed because of his complete dishonesty on the matter. dont say you werent warned.
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 12:51:57 GMT
Distinctly possible - if so then I wonder what red meat Starmer will throw at the LibDems for their support. A referendum on PR perhaps and then another on EU membership? possibly pacifico. We can see many politicians are sensing something about the political playing field ahead , with both snp and lib dem politicians now talking hung parliament , and the tories realising they might still have a small chance of stopping labour with starmers inept leadership.
labour as we know will climb into bed with anyone for a whiff of power , and through their morals to the wind in the process. England will go ballistic if starmer is propped up by the snp , and im not sure how relaistic the liberals and greens are of catching enough seats to make up the gap between labour being the largest party and a majority.
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Post by Pacifico on May 7, 2023 17:02:29 GMT
Distinctly possible - if so then I wonder what red meat Starmer will throw at the LibDems for their support. A referendum on PR perhaps and then another on EU membership? possibly pacifico. We can see many politicians are sensing something about the political playing field ahead , with both snp and lib dem politicians now talking hung parliament , and the tories realising they might still have a small chance of stopping labour with starmers inept leadership.
labour as we know will climb into bed with anyone for a whiff of power , and through their morals to the wind in the process. England will go ballistic if starmer is propped up by the snp , and im not sure how relaistic the liberals and greens are of catching enough seats to make up the gap between labour being the largest party and a majority.
If Labour do worse than many are expecting they may need both LibDem and SNP support - just think, referendums on PR, on rejoining the EU and Scottish Independence all in the next Parliament.. |
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 17:09:14 GMT
possibly pacifico. We can see many politicians are sensing something about the political playing field ahead , with both snp and lib dem politicians now talking hung parliament , and the tories realising they might still have a small chance of stopping labour with starmers inept leadership.
labour as we know will climb into bed with anyone for a whiff of power , and through their morals to the wind in the process. England will go ballistic if starmer is propped up by the snp , and im not sure how relaistic the liberals and greens are of catching enough seats to make up the gap between labour being the largest party and a majority.
If Labour do worse than many are expecting they may need both LibDem and SNP support - just think, referendums on PR, on rejoining the EU and Scottish Independence all in the next Parliament.. well lets be clear. If labour under the current circumstances dont win a landslide at the forthcoming general election , then this will be regarded as a disaster for starmer.
In the predicted situation they are the largest party short of a majority , stumbling along with the help of lib dem ( as you hint a clear rejoin party) and the snp with the pressure of demands for another indyref which yousaf has hinted at already , then i think that will go down like a lead balloon among the english majority.
It s clear the tories are in well deserved trouble, thats a given , but as sir john curtice has said , the public arent enthused by the red tory alternative.
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