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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 11:24:41 GMT
...But bit by bit, slownly but steadily, Kier Starmer has transformed Labour... No he hasn't - the Tories have simply imploded. Labour aren't going to win anything, the Tories are going to lose. Almost no one wants Labour - they're just pissed off with the Tories. Not that it will make one iota of difference either way. The reality is that as Labour have climbed higher and higher in the polls, the Conservatives started squabbling and fighting amongs themselves, because they do not know how to turn it around. I agree that the Tories do have an internal problem, largely unseen by us commoners, it's a civil war between the Populists and traditional Tories. I disagree totally that its all down to Tory in-fighting, the Labour leader has taken a very firm grip of the party and stamped his authority. He has come down very hard on anti-semitism, reclaimed the patriotic high ground, seen off most of the far Left, and dealt decisively with those that step out of line with the values that Labour stand for. Corbyn .. gone, Abbott .. gone, you are now dealing with the Labour party how it should be, a mainstream Left of centre political party which champions Social Justice, and which will work with both business and trade unions. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 11:28:26 GMT
It would be interesting to see how many 'monarchists' were arrested for being to noisy, wearing T-shirts with 'God save the King' on or for wearing union flag hats, not union Jack that is a navel term, and how many were arrested for carrying banners. That is a matter of debate. The Union Jack is held to be only a naval term, and my wife from a navy town has been told off for referring to the flag as the Union Jack, but it is not settled. Some society said it can be referred to as both but there is no preference. It is called so in the navy when the Union flag is flown from the jack-arm. |
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 11:32:45 GMT
No he hasn't - the Tories have simply imploded. Labour aren't going to win anything, the Tories are going to lose. Almost no one wants Labour - they're just pissed off with the Tories. Not that it will make one iota of difference either way. a mainstream Left of centre political party which champions Social Justice, LMFAO. left of centre? Champions of social justice? Dear god above i do wonder what fuckin planet you are on sometimes!
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2023 11:54:27 GMT
Indeed. Which is exactly why I said that it will not make one iota of difference either way.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 12:08:31 GMT
A Bill which proceeds through Parliament often contains MANY different alterations to law
The reason why Labour oppossed the "Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022" was because they opposed PARTS OF THE BILL, but not all of the act.
For example, the Labour Party broadly agreed with the provisions contained appertaining to child cruelty and abuse.
However, the Labour Party rightly believed that some aspects of the legislation went too far in terms of infringing upon basic rights and civil liberties.
the former chief constables of Durham Constabulary and Greater Manchester Police, respectively, said that the law threatened civil liberties and constituted a politically-motivated move towards paramilitary policing. The advocacy group Liberty said the bill "threatens protest". Broadcaster and writer Kenan Malik warned the bill reduced the right to protest to "whispering in the corner". David Blunkett, the Labour Party home secretary from 2001 to 2004, called it an "anti-protest bill" threatening to make Britain look like Vladimir Putin's Russia.
What happened yesterday to Republican protesters who actually did absolutelly nothing wrong, vindicates everything that opponents of the Bill warned against.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2023 12:15:02 GMT
But the irony of lefties being "No platformed" was at least amusing.
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 12:23:53 GMT
A Bill which proceeds through Parliament often contains MANY different alterations to law The reason why Labour oppossed the "Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022" was because they opposed PARTS OF THE BILL, but not all of the act. For example, the Labour Party broadly agreed with the provisions contained appertaining to child cruelty and abuse. However, the Labour Party rightly believed that some aspects of the legislation went too far in terms of infringing upon basic rights and civil liberties. the former chief constables of Durham Constabulary and Greater Manchester Police, respectively, said that the law threatened civil liberties and constituted a politically-motivated move towards paramilitary policing. The advocacy group Liberty said the bill "threatens protest". Broadcaster and writer Kenan Malik warned the bill reduced the right to protest to "whispering in the corner". David Blunkett, the Labour Party home secretary from 2001 to 2004, called it an "anti-protest bill" threatening to make Britain look like Vladimir Putin's Russia. What happened yesterday to Republican protesters who actually did absolutelly nothing wrong, vindicates everything that opponents of the Bill warned against. sid , i dont know what age you are , but its almost as if modern politics has passed you by and you still believe labour are the party they once were in the 70s and 80s.
you talk about labour being the defenders of social justice while they abstain on a bill attacking the right to protest.
You talk about labour being a left of centre party , and the evils of the nasty right wing tories , while you forget to mention the labour party are in coaltion across scotland with the tories in scottish councils.
its laughable listening to you .
You talk about putin (yawn) . What we saw in london yesterday was more moscow than london right enough , enabled once again by starmers right wing new labour.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 12:26:06 GMT
Posters are dealing with Froth and Spin here - NOT the real issue
Why were protesters, who had done absolutelly nothing wrong, arrested and put behind bars until after the coronation was over with. ?
This is the troubling question at hand
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 12:30:00 GMT
Posters are dealing with Froth and Spin here - NOT the real issue Why were protesters, who had done absolutelly nothing wrong, arrested and put behind bars until after the coronation was over with. ? This is the troubling question at hand this is the real issue. The question is would starmer reverse such draconian legislation if he somehow came to power at westmisnter?
Based on his u turn on all his pledges he made for labour leadership , and of course his recent highly publicised u turn on tuition fees , the answer is an emphatic no.
The real issue is you cant trust new labour on a single issue , so why should anyone vote for them?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 12:31:01 GMT
thomas >> sid , i dont know what age you are , but its almost as if modern politics has passed you by and you still believe labour are the party they once were in the 70s and 80s.
you talk about labour being the defenders of social justice while they abstain on a bill attacking the right to protest.
You talk about labour being a left of centre party , and the evils of the nasty right wing tories , while you forget to mention the labour party are in coaltion across scotland with the tories in scottish councils.
its laughable listening to you .
You talk about putin (yawn) . What we saw in london yesterday was more moscow than london right enough , enabled once again by starmers right wing new labour.
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What would have happend if Labour had opposed the bill ?
I will tell you what would have happened - the Bill would have been passed, and the Tories would then claim that Labour opposed a Bill which introduces tougher sentences on child abuse.
The Labour Party did what they thought was the right thing to do
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 12:33:38 GMT
thomas >> sid , i dont know what age you are , but its almost as if modern politics has passed you by and you still believe labour are the party they once were in the 70s and 80s. you talk about labour being the defenders of social justice while they abstain on a bill attacking the right to protest. You talk about labour being a left of centre party , and the evils of the nasty right wing tories , while you forget to mention the labour party are in coaltion across scotland with the tories in scottish councils. its laughable listening to you . You talk about putin (yawn) . What we saw in london yesterday was more moscow than london right enough , enabled once again by starmers right wing new labour. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ What would have happend if Labour had opposed the bill ? I will tell you what would have happened - the Bill would have been passed, and the Tories would then claim that Labour opposed a Bill which introduces tougher sentences on child abuse. The Labour Party did what they thought was the right thing to do 
What ? The party of social justice dont want to make the effort to champion social justice? No wonder new labour and starmer are known uk wide as the party of abstainers.
How can anyone vote for a party to take the uk through difficult times if all they are going to do is sit on their hands at the slightest difficult issue?
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2023 12:39:37 GMT
Labour would fall short of an overall majority in parliament, a vote share projection shows following local elections in England.
Based on analysis of change in vote share across 1,500 wards Labour is the most popular party with 36%, with the Conservative share 29%, Lib Dems with 18% and others standing at 17%.
See full local election results here
Assuming a uniform national swing and applying these to the seats decided at the last general election, Labour would be on course to become the largest party at the next election.
It would gain 95 seats - to an improved total of 298 in this projection - the highest number since Labour won the 2005 general election, but 28 short of an overall majority.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2023 13:51:21 GMT
I read in the press that demonstrators were going to use rape alarms to spook the Royal Horses, so who in their right minds would hand them out prior to the parade? When you think about it, what's rape prevention got to do with a royal coronation? They could hand those out on any day. Why that day? Rat, smelt, much? |
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Post by sandypine on May 7, 2023 13:58:44 GMT
That is a matter of debate. The Union Jack is held to be only a naval term, and my wife from a navy town has been told off for referring to the flag as the Union Jack, but it is not settled. Some society said it can be referred to as both but there is no preference. It is called so in the navy when the Union flag is flown from the jack-arm. I agree but the flag on shore can also be referred to as the Union Jack as an extension of the navy term on land but this seems to be accepted by many 'authorities'. It may be that is how sailors ashore still referred to it who knows, I prefer Union Jack as opposed to Union Flag it has a happier friendlier sound. |
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Post by wapentake on May 7, 2023 14:00:12 GMT
I read in the press that demonstrators were going to use rape alarms to spook the Royal Horses, so who in their right minds would hand them out prior to the parade? When you think about it, what's rape prevention got to do with a royal coronation? They could hand those out on any day. Why that day? Rat, smelt, much? Yes they could hand them out any day and afaik they do on a regular basis I think and it’s just my opinion that was made up to cover a cock up,those volunteers work with the police sorting the drunk the lost and puddled all the time Similar schemes in all the big cities,. |
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