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Post by see2 on May 10, 2023 8:54:04 GMT
So, in precis then: The left believe that freedom of speech and freedom to protest are fine as long as it's their freedom of speech and freedom to protest. Otherwise, they're quite happy to bring their jackboots down on it. Hypocrites, as usual. Your limited thinking that only includes "the left" and insinuates automatic extremism is evidence of your stunted logic approach to politics. There are a number of rightwing posters on this forum, are you claiming that makes them fascists? Incidentally, "Jackboots" are indicative of rightwing Fascism. Using it in the way you have makes you the hypocrite. |
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Post by see2 on May 10, 2023 8:56:58 GMT
So, in precis then: The left believe that freedom of speech and freedom to protest are fine as long as it's their freedom of speech and freedom to protest. Otherwise, they're quite happy to bring their jackboots down on it. Hypocrites, as usual. Weirdly, in the clearest case of expression only - i.e. talking on the internet - much of the left are agreed that there needs to be very heavy restrictions. I think SOME limitations might be appropriate. 'Obvious lies' intended to deceive or to create violence might be one. |
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Post by Orac on May 10, 2023 9:00:04 GMT
Weirdly, in the clearest case of expression only - i.e. talking on the internet - much of the left are agreed that there needs to be very heavy restrictions. I think SOME limitations might be appropriate. 'Obvious lies' intended to deceive or to create violence might be one. Yes. You believe your political opposition are dangerous extremists who shouldn't be allowed to express themselves. I think we are agreeing here. You share these beliefs with much of the left |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2023 9:08:57 GMT
In recent years the Tories have tended to hang on to failed arguments and lost causes, for fear of losing face, this is what brought Boris down. Instead the public would respect them more if they had the courage to say "yes we got this wrong".
This is what is happening here
The longer the government refuse to accept anything is wrong, the longer the press will carry on with it, and as always, I predict the government will once again admit things are not right.
The clue here is that even their own MPs are now uncomfortable with what happened, and some Tory MPs are actually criticising both the government and the Metropolitan Police ( so much for "Left Wing" )
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Post by see2 on May 10, 2023 9:09:43 GMT
IMO it has already 'panned out' with a successful coronation. The rest is about getting on with life. I think it is obvious that the demonstrators wish to do away with the Royalty, what we don't know is just what they wish to change the system to. I suspect that a similar situation is likely where after the English civil war the main leaders of the Round Heads found they were fighting for a number of different reasons and looking for different outcomes. Similar discontent amongst the presently 'united' front probably. What are you talking about you and Pacifico the arrest of a handful of protestors and innocent peopleis nothing to worry about,really? If you think detaining people who have committed no offence is ok crack on it’s a world you may wish for but it does have long term consequences for us all. Not least the Met whose reputation is at an all time low,why do you think it is acceptable to detain volunteers working with the police and other agencies for public safety? and do you think this inspires anyone to do this work in the future at a time the met was supposed to be rebuilding trust and rapport that incident alone has severely dented it. Read and digest what former chief constable Peter Fahy had to say inews.co.uk/news/police-under-pressure-home-office-crackdown-protests-coronation-arrests-2327808As I’ve said previously I don’t blame those on the frontline but I do politicians and some senior officers. 1. If it was a case of arrest and prosecution, yes it would be of concern, but it wasn't. 2. Your comment says far more about your personal thoughts than about the reality of the situation. 3. I have made no comment on the situation with the volunteers so your comment to me is misplaced. 4. I am aware that the Police were caught up in rushed politics, which is why the whole thing is now, certainly IMO, water under the bridge. 5. I agree with your last point. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 10, 2023 9:11:51 GMT
So, in precis then: The left believe that freedom of speech and freedom to protest are fine as long as it's their freedom of speech and freedom to protest. Otherwise, they're quite happy to bring their jackboots down on it. Hypocrites, as usual. Weirdly, in the clearest case of expression only - i.e. talking on the internet - much of the left are agreed that there needs to be very heavy restrictions.
'Twas ever thus. "No platforming" anybody?  |
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Post by see2 on May 10, 2023 9:11:51 GMT
I think SOME limitations might be appropriate. 'Obvious lies' intended to deceive or to create violence might be one. Yes. You believe your political opposition are dangerous extremists who shouldn't be allowed to express themselves. I think we are agreeing here. You share these beliefs with much of the left Your comment is highly exaggerated and does not fit my post. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 10, 2023 9:13:10 GMT
I think SOME limitations might be appropriate. 'Obvious lies' intended to deceive or to create violence might be one. Yes. You believe your political opposition are dangerous extremists who shouldn't be allowed to express themselves. I think we are agreeing here. You share these beliefs with much of the left
Yes. See2 would appear to have fascistic tendencies.
He shares those beliefs with much of the left too.
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Post by Orac on May 10, 2023 9:32:20 GMT
Weirdly, in the clearest case of expression only - i.e. talking on the internet - much of the left are agreed that there needs to be very heavy restrictions.
'Twas ever thus. "No platforming" anybody? I must admit to some difficulty dealing with such people. I can usually somewhat place myself in the shoes of someone who disagrees with me, but I find it difficult to imagine really believing that preventing people disagreeing with you is somehow helpful, or that using the language of 'safety' effectively masks such an intent. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 10, 2023 9:36:59 GMT
Cant beat a multicultural society, apparently... The UK has always been a multicultural society. I blame some of todays problems on the decision to take power away from parliament and to place the responsibility for actions onto the individual (referendum). It seems that nowadays more and more individuals have taken action into their own hands. Don't talk bloody rubbish. Never in this countries long history have we had mass immigration forced upon us like we have over the past 20 years. No one was asked, no one voted for it, it was forced upon us, and the referendum you sneer at came years 'after' Labour opened the immigration floodgates and changed this country forever. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2023 9:51:03 GMT
One detail I heard is that some protesters were handing out rape alarms and encouraging people to use them. Apparently, the noise is a known issue for horses. Which may have led to the horses trampling on people. It's because of their stupidity and moronic disruptive behaviour that these new laws have been put into place in the first place. They have recently been demonstrating their lack of respect toward the law and have actively been undermining protest rights, which everyone else has the abide to. They should really question who controls their hive-mind.
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Post by wapentake on May 10, 2023 10:21:35 GMT
One detail I heard is that some protesters were handing out rape alarms and encouraging people to use them. Apparently, the noise is a known issue for horses. Which were they and were they arrested? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 10, 2023 10:27:29 GMT
So we are back to the Government deciding when you can protest - so much for it being a 'right'.. They did decide. I do not believe they should have. So if not the Government - who should decide whether you have a right to protest? |
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Post by Montegriffo on May 10, 2023 11:31:27 GMT
Thank You I do have problems some times with links I'm here to serve. |
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Post by Handyman on May 10, 2023 11:44:59 GMT
Thank You I do have problems some times with links I'm here to serve.  |
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