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Post by colbops on Oct 26, 2022 19:02:17 GMT
The tax changes where that optimal is - likely some producers will find no new optimal and go out of business or engage in something else. Production lowers, scarcity increases - - > prices rise. Not sure why you are arguing the toss here. I'm arguing the toss because I'm trying to convince those not in business that businesses cannot 'Just bung the price up and pass it on to the consumer' To be fair I walked away when you knocked out your arrogant 'another non business person' comment and that upping corporation tax wouldn't be a driver for inflation because businesses can't put their prices up because they are already charging the max they can get away with. I could suggest well that can't be true because if it were we wouldn't have double digit inflation. That we have certainly suggests a lot of business have been putting their prices up! I could suggest it is not as black and white as you were implying with your dismissive comments. I could explain the concepts of price elasticity, price elasticity of demand, price elasticity of supply and cross price elasticity, and how all of these variables are different across different businesses. But I know there is no point, because you've made your mind up that your 35% figure or whatever you said is the answer, and don't want to hear anything other than 'I agree, you're so wise' Bottom line is a significant increase to corporation tax is a high risk move that could well stifle growth, negatively impact the balance of imports:exports, and further drive inflation. Not only is it likely to not result in generating the increase in tax revenue you might expect, it could actually increase the size of the hole in the budget, thereby negating the impact of any additional revenue. But hey, what would I know right, I'm not in business..... |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 27, 2022 1:33:49 GMT
I came to this late...
I would argue that people would accept higher taxes if there was a grown-up conversation around it.
This would work by breaking everything down, and making firm guarantees.
Example:
Pay 10% for national government.
Pay 10% for local government.
Pay 5% for healthcare and no extra charges for prescriptions / dentists.
Pay 7% towards a state-run pension scheme.
Pay 3% towards a safety net (sickness / unemployment benefit)
Pay 2% towards elder care.
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Post by Toreador on Oct 27, 2022 6:10:53 GMT
I came to this late... I would argue that people would accept higher taxes if there was a grown-up conversation around it. This would work by breaking everything down, and making firm guarantees. Example: Pay 10% for national government. Pay 10% for local government. Pay 5% for healthcare and no extra charges for prescriptions / dentists. Pay 7% towards a state-run pension scheme. Pay 3% towards a safety net (sickness / unemployment benefit) Pay 2% towards elder care. In many cases the grown-up conversation would demand a wage increase. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 6:28:18 GMT
I'm arguing the toss because I'm trying to convince those not in business that businesses cannot 'Just bung the price up and pass it on to the consumer' To be fair I walked away when you knocked out your arrogant 'another non business person' comment Self entitled arrogance and "i know best " attitude seems to be a factor in each and every one of zanys posts from his ivory tower in la la land. There are people on this forum who could buy and sell zany ten times over.
Lost count the amount of times over the years i have heard these so called" billionaire businessmen" , most of them nothing more than small time cranks selling tat on e bay , come on these forums in between their hectic business schedules to condescendingly tell us mere mortal plebs what is good for us in their view.
Nothing more than pretentious guff to be dismissed at leisure....
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 27, 2022 6:47:34 GMT
I came to this late... I would argue that people would accept higher taxes if there was a grown-up conversation around it. This would work by breaking everything down, and making firm guarantees. Example: Pay 10% for national government. Pay 10% for local government. Pay 5% for healthcare and no extra charges for prescriptions / dentists. Pay 7% towards a state-run pension scheme. Pay 3% towards a safety net (sickness / unemployment benefit) Pay 2% towards elder care. But you run into the same problem - what happens when (as happens now) that government provision is not very good?. Why would I want to pay more tax so that the NHS can employ more equality and Net Zero managers and schools can lay on concerts by transgender strippers? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 7:32:20 GMT
I came to this late... I would argue that people would accept higher taxes if there was a grown-up conversation around it. This would work by breaking everything down, and making firm guarantees. Example: Pay 10% for national government. Pay 10% for local government. Pay 5% for healthcare and no extra charges for prescriptions / dentists. Pay 7% towards a state-run pension scheme. Pay 3% towards a safety net (sickness / unemployment benefit) Pay 2% towards elder care. But you run into the same problem - what happens when (as happens now) that government provision is not very good?. Why would I want to pay more tax so that the NHS can employ more equality and Net Zero managers and schools can lay on concerts by transgender strippers? Tax increase have to go hand in hand with intellgient and wise spending. The idea the electorate are going to accept vast sums of tax increases so a feckless government can throw money at a bottomless pit like the nhs is laughable.
Surely countries like France show the way forward for health services , with thier part private part nationalised service , regularly outperforming the nhs services in the yookay , and regualrly being voted the best health service in the world by the WHO and others?
Again , like immigration , health spending is something that needs a sensible conversation but which we are unlikely to get becasue the labour party in both scotland and england / wales have canonised health and the nhs so it is now an altar which must be worshipped at without a jot of criticism.
Yet the labour run welsh nhs is the consistently worst health service since devolution began 23 years ago in the yookay.......Go figure that one.?
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 27, 2022 7:42:07 GMT
France has a good health system precisely because the Governments input is very limited.
Keep the politicians away from the levers of power and you can have a system that works.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 27, 2022 7:57:21 GMT
Thomas ive already explained to you the reason why wales NHS is the poorest care provider in Uk.
Its nothing to do with welsh labour like I pointed out to you they have more beds , Doctors and nurses.
The main driver why wales does so bad is because they
HAVE THE ELDEST POPULATION IN BRITAIN,
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2022 8:44:46 GMT
Not originally. They are not EU nationals. So our presence within or withdrawal from the EU has made bugger all difference to them. perhaps its time the world got together to deal with the rising illegal immigration problem once and for all. Dealing with it at a centralised state level alone , or even continent level as part of the eu seemed fraught with difficulties.
There needs to be a fair and frank discussion on immigration that at present cannot be had in any sensible manner without blaming racism or old enemies etc etc.
some areas of the uk need more immigration , so perhaps regional or country level could be allowed to adopt immigration laws specific for their area tailored to suit their needs?
Its a complex issue no doubt , but for sure certainly isnt working in or out of the EU and seems to be world wide in terms of problems.
I agree with this. If someone is genuinely escaping persecution I do not think they should be able to choose their safe destination. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 27, 2022 8:53:31 GMT
Remember Zany that the majority of people who do claim asylum in this country are found by our authorities to be genuinely escaping persecution. So may I ask why you feel as you do. Those found to be genuinely escaping persecution have been forced out of their homes against their will, have lost pretty much everything they have and are faced with having to rebuild a life in a strange country through (in the vast majority of cases) no fault of their own. Should they not be able to do so where possible in a country where perhaps they have extended family to help them or they at least can speak the language. Is that not in the very nature of why asylum exists? |
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Post by Orac on Oct 27, 2022 9:47:53 GMT
If people can force themselves into your community in large numbers, regardless of your opposition, you essentially lose distinct self rule.
We never made any such pact regarding joint (shared) rule with the middle east and Africa
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2022 11:28:00 GMT
ZG, what do you think the EU/French reaction would be if tens of thousands of immigrants from the UK landed on a French beach? Do you think the EU/French authorities would be sympathetic and understanding and immediately accommodate them in hotels at taxpayers expense? Or do you think the EU/French authorities would be extremely angry and demand the ECtHR take immediate action against the British government for allowing people to put to sea in flimsy craft and not policing their own borders. Come on ZG, this isn't a tricky question, although I accept you may struggle with it. I think the UK press has been insulting the French and the EU for years, even before Brexit. I think Brexit demonstrated to them that these insults were not the minority but the majority. Calling them Fascists, Nazis unelected bureaucrats and anything else you fancied while expecting them to help you out. You must be nuts. I think Boris in a bid to be popular with Brexiters went on with the same insults. Then you turn up and say 'Why aren't our neighbours doing more to help us, It would be funny if it wasn't so damaging. So your question to me is back to front. I don't think the French authorities would be at all surprised if our efforts were desultory, had they treated us like we have treated them. What a load of bollox. Instead of coming out with all that minority appeasing left wing crap, just say you're not going to answer the question. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 11:41:16 GMT
Thomas ive already explained to you the reason why wales NHS is the poorest care provider in Uk. Its nothing to do with welsh labour like I pointed out to you they have more beds , Doctors and nurses. The main driver why wales does so bad is because they HAVE THE ELDEST POPULATION IN BRITAIN, so by that reckining scotlands health service should be worse than englands as scotland popualtion is older than england , and you could use the same barometer with any two countries and see you are talking guff as ever.
Scotland health system is the best performing of the uk , and has been regularly. Why ?
...because scotland , unlike wales , kicked the new labour muppets out of power before they could do anymore PFI damage.Among much much else.
tell ye to the left , there are political geeks talking guff on the interweb , and then there are labour political geeks talking even more guff.
Have you learned to use he quote tags yet?
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 27, 2022 12:17:45 GMT
Well there seems to be little difference between Scotland and England's health service.
Lets not forget that we had a tory right wing Government for the past 12yrs who has not funded the English NHS has much has they should.
Plus less Doctors/Nurses and a decline in Beds and a social care service not fit for purpose.
Trying to compair a right wing government to a left wing Government over public spending is like comparison between Apple and a pear.
And talkin about labour Governance of Scotland and the Scottish NHS wasn't the the funding much more than it is now.
Under labour Governance the funding was something like 22%.
Has for the elder Generation life expectancy is higher in England then Scotland
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Post by Toreador on Oct 27, 2022 12:32:55 GMT
Well there seems to be little difference between Scotland and England's health service. Lets not forget that we had a tory right wing Government for the past 12yrs who has not funded the English NHS has much has they should. Plus less Doctors/Nurses and a decline in Beds and a social care service not fit for purpose. Trying to compair a right wing government to a left wing Government over public spending is like comparison between Apple and a pear. And talkin about labour Governance of Scotland and the Scottish NHS wasn't the the funding much more than it is now. Under labour Governance the funding was something like 22%. Has for the elder Generation life expectancy is higher in England then ScotlandThat's due to a lifestyle choice. |
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