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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 12:37:49 GMT
Well there seems to be little difference between Scotland and England's health service. Well before we even start ripping this guff apart , your own golden rule tells me scotlands health service should be much worse than englands due to scotlands older popualtion , yet here you say there not much difference?
Could this be an implicit admittance you are talking guff as an excuse for the labour parties failure in the worst performing nhs in the uk , the welsh nhs?
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 12:42:29 GMT
The Labour-led Welsh government’s management of the health service has attracted fresh criticism after it emerged that the number of people waiting more than 12 months for an operation in Wales has risen by more than 400% in the past four years.
Perhaps the single most striking feature of everyday non-constitutional Scottish politics is Labour’s constantly-recurring habit of highlighting some supposedly unsatisfactory statistic about the Scottish Government’s performance, only for it to be revealed that it’s vastly better than the comparable figure for Wales, where Labour has been in power ever since the Assembly was created in 1999.
For simplicity, that would make the per-head-per-year costs of negligence:
NHS Wales: £18.84
NHS England: £18.27
NHS Scotland: £6.60
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Post by Toreador on Oct 27, 2022 12:51:34 GMT
Well there seems to be little difference between Scotland and England's health service. Well before we even start ripping this guff apart , your own golden rule tells me scotlands health service shoudlbe much worse than england due to scotland older popualtion , yet here you say there not much difference?
Could this be an implicit admittance you are talking guff for the labour parties failure in the worst performing nhs in the uk , the welsh nhs?
The percentage of old people is lower in Scotland than in England. Alcoholism amongst men is twice as high in Scottish men as opposed to English and nearly as bad for women. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 12:54:27 GMT
Well before we even start ripping this guff apart , your own golden rule tells me scotlands health service shoudlbe much worse than england due to scotland older popualtion , yet here you say there not much difference?
Could this be an implicit admittance you are talking guff for the labour parties failure in the worst performing nhs in the uk , the welsh nhs?
The percentage of old people is lower in Scotland than in England. Alcoholism amongst men is twice as high in Scottish men as opposed to English and nearly as bad for women. Across the UK, Wales has the oldest population, followed by Scotland, then England and Northern Ireland has the youngest population
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 27, 2022 12:57:19 GMT
Lol you keep going on about the welsh NHS
But you keep ignoring the fact Wales has the eldest population in uk what must have a serious bearing on the fact.
You then say the Scottish have a older population then England say there not much difference between the NHS Scotland anr NHS ENGLAND
Its so minor it doesn't really have a bearing .
Then I asked you how you can compare a right wing Government to a left wing Government on public spending.
No Answer.
Then I point out that under a labour Governance thr NHS spending was much higher than now.
Still no Answer..
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 13:00:03 GMT
Lol you keep going on about the welsh NHS its relevant because its one of the four nations of the uk where labour has been running the nhs uninterrupted for the past 23 years and making a mess of it.
So when people like you bleat about the english nhs under the tories, or simialr in scotland with the snp , we all need to keep pointing out the labour parties embaressment of the welsh nhs and how it is consistently the worst in the uk .
Labour cant be trusted with the nhs , never mind anything else.
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 13:01:09 GMT
cant you read the above posts with stats in there?
I would stop digging mate.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 27, 2022 13:03:31 GMT
Lol still notice you avoiding my other poin5s.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 27, 2022 13:15:14 GMT
Are you also going to answer Torador point that the percentage off old is lower in Scotland then England,
Also he makes out the point because Alcoholism is higher between men and women.
I also will add that class A Drug abuse is rive in Scotland
So much Scotland
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 13:51:30 GMT
So scotland has higher alcoholism apparently than england , causing even further strain on the scottish nhs , yet it still outperforms both english and the holier than thou labours welsh nhs?
The plot thickens!!!
You arent doing a very good job backing up your golden rule lefty?
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 27, 2022 14:12:55 GMT
So scotland hassubstancealcoholism apparently than england , causing even further straguesss the scottish nhs , yet it still outperforms both english and the holier than thou labours welsh nhs? The plot thickens!!! You arent doing a very good job backing up your golden rule lefty? Well we dont know how the NHS SERVICES treat substance Abuse so thwts a none point What we do kknow that Scotland spends 20 million a year on substance Abuse England spdnds 80 million a year. so from that we can guess that NHS ENGLand is much more better serice the Nhs scotland |
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 14:17:58 GMT
So scotland hassubstancealcoholism apparently than england , causing even further straguesss the scottish nhs , yet it still outperforms both english and the holier than thou labours welsh nhs? The plot thickens!!! You arent doing a very good job backing up your golden rule lefty? Well we dont know how the NHS SERVICES treat substance Abuse so thwts a none point What we do kknow that Scotland spends 20 million a year on substance Abuse England spdnds 80 million a year. so from that we can guess that NHS ENGLand is much more better serice the Nhs scotland No lets further your logic. According to you , the heavy weight of "age" in wales is the excuse for the perfromance of labours welsh nhs.
Meanwhile you tell me scotland is rife with alcoholism , drug abuse ,etc on top of having the second oldest popualtion , yet performs better than either tory england or labours wales.
Then in you final sentence you finish off your weak argument by claming the tory tun english nhs is better than scotland , and by implication labour run wales?
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 14:22:13 GMT
So scotland hassubstancealcoholism apparently than england , causing even further straguesss the scottish nhs , yet it still outperforms both english and the holier than thou labours welsh nhs? The plot thickens!!! You arent doing a very good job backing up your golden rule lefty? so from that we can guess that NHS ENGLand is much more better serice the Nhs scotland  |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 27, 2022 16:23:56 GMT
So scotland hassubstancealcoholism apparently than england , causing even further straguesss the scottish nhs , yet it still outperforms both english and the holier than thou labours welsh nhs? The plot thickens!!! You arent doing a very good job backing up your golden rule lefty? Well we dont know how the NHS SERVICES treat substance Abuse so thwts a none point What we do kknow that Scotland spends 20 million a year on substance Abuse England spdnds 80 million a year. so from that we can guess that NHS ENGLand is much more better serice the Nhs scotland Scotland has a much bigger problem with substance abuse than England so proportionally its not surprising they spend more. That has no bearing on the relative performance of either systems (which personally I think are crap). |
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 16:30:45 GMT
Well we dont know how the NHS SERVICES treat substance Abuse so thwts a none point What we do kknow that Scotland spends 20 million a year on substance Abuse England spdnds 80 million a year. so from that we can guess that NHS ENGLand is much more better serice the Nhs scotland Scotland has a much bigger problem with substance abuse than England so proportionally its not surprising they spend more. That has no bearing on the relative performance of either systems (which personally I think are crap). ok but im sure you see im trying to deal with lefties argument that age/alcohol / drugs etc make running a health service harder in his defence of the labour run welsh nhs shambles.
Without making an explicit party political point in defence of the snp or scotland , im saying the stats show emphatically that is a nonsense excuse for labours shambolic mess in Wales.
I have been following the mess of the welsh nhs for years now. Everytime the labour muppets in scotland bring up any slight they can find about the scottish nhs , every single time they are obliterated in the scottish parliament by the emergence of the disgracefull stats for labour in wales.
Remember as well , in 2005 , when labour ran the scottish nhs , satisfaction rates were only 40 % . Fast forward to recent years (2016) and they were at 90 % under the snp.
Now im not too clued up on the english nhs , but despite labours bleating i see even the tories are doing a better job with respective comparable figures than labour in wales.
Sp despite all the bleating from labour to the contrary about the tories underfunding and all the rest , it appears labour are the problem when it comes to health.
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