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Post by Pacifico on Oct 25, 2022 14:48:33 GMT
Yes - immigration has increased under the Tories, but now, for the first time, the electorate can do something about it should they so desire. According to Cameron's pre-referendum negotiations with the EU our government / the electorate, could have done a lot about it had we remained in the EU. they didn't |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 25, 2022 14:53:16 GMT
But you are not measuring poverty - you are measuring inequality. Even then the number in 'poverty' is the same as it was in 2009, yet we have a larger population now so the actual rate has fallen as one would hope. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 25, 2022 18:53:46 GMT
Pretty much though the phrasing is wrong. Every business charges the maximum they can. This is driven by two things. 1, What the public are willing to pay 2, What the competition are charging. If you raise your price by a couple of percent you see a corresponding drop in purchases. You keep changing this price until you reach the sweet spot. The point at which you are both charging and selling the most you can. The only exceptions to this rule are 1, Those selling essentials (Things the public have to buy) Then the only limit is competition. 2, Those selling products only they have. Then the limit is what the public are willing to pay. If your unit costs and or fixed overheads exceed this sweet spot you go under. If the bloke with the fish and chip shop isn’t making enough money to make the business worthwhile he is going to ignore your wisdom and put the price up. What you are posting is correct but doesn’t necessarily accommodate the reality of desperation ( or the desperation of reality) in small businesses. Neither does it accommodate the sharp rises in supermarket food prices . No matter how much you seem to think that they shouldn’t,the fact is that they are . Desperation rarely ends with success. I started as a small business, remorgaged the house, sold one of the kids, usual stuff. So I am aware of the pressures, so many small businesses where the boss pays himself less than his workers, its scary. One of the things I have tried to do since my business grew is help startups to look at what they sell and how they sell it. So many people have an idea and try to turn it into a business without a proper plan. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 25, 2022 19:00:09 GMT
Tax also effects all your competitors - everyone puts their price up and the total market contracts. Less production, less trade, less goods Yep. Though usually business try to adsorb the tax as the price they are charging is already the optimum. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 25, 2022 19:17:09 GMT
If the bloke with the fish and chip shop isn’t making enough money to make the business worthwhile he is going to ignore your wisdom and put the price up. What you are posting is correct but doesn’t necessarily accommodate the reality of desperation ( or the desperation of reality) in small businesses. Neither does it accommodate the sharp rises in supermarket food prices . No matter how much you seem to think that they shouldn’t,the fact is that they are . Desperation rarely ends with success. I started as a small business, remorgaged the house, sold one of the kids, usual stuff. So I am aware of the pressures, so many small businesses where the boss pays himself less than his workers, its scary. One of the things I have tried to do since my business grew is help startups to look at what they sell and how they sell it. So many people have an idea and try to turn it into a business without a proper plan. Nevertheless. Small businesses will contemplate and even be forced to raise their prices if their costs rises. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 19:26:16 GMT
I don't know if you have noticed but most of those trying to come here as refugees or economic migrants do not come from EU countries. Almost none of those risking their lives to cross the Channel hail from Poland, Germany, or France originally. They come from places like Afghanistan, Somalia, and Syria. Inside or outside the EU has made no difference to these. Every single illegal who lands on an English beach has come from the EU state of France. Not originally. They are not EU citizens. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 25, 2022 19:26:50 GMT
Desperation rarely ends with success. I started as a small business, remorgaged the house, sold one of the kids, usual stuff. So I am aware of the pressures, so many small businesses where the boss pays himself less than his workers, its scary. One of the things I have tried to do since my business grew is help startups to look at what they sell and how they sell it. So many people have an idea and try to turn it into a business without a proper plan. Nevertheless. Small businesses will contemplate and even be forced to raise their prices if their costs rises. I don't disagree. Its just not simply passing costs onto the public. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 26, 2022 7:19:24 GMT
Every single illegal who lands on an English beach has come from the EU state of France. Not originally. They are not EU citizens. Totally irrelevant. The almighty illegal immigrant cock-up in Europe is entirely the fault of the EU. I say again, every single illegal who lands on an English beach came from the 'safe' EU state of France. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 26, 2022 7:22:07 GMT
According to Cameron's pre-referendum negotiations with the EU our government / the electorate, could have done a lot about it had we remained in the EU. they didn't They did. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 26, 2022 7:27:37 GMT
How? - asylum applications rose every single year Cameron was in power. As did immigration. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 26, 2022 7:32:44 GMT
Not originally. They are not EU citizens. Totally irrelevant. The almighty illegal immigrant cock-up in Europe is entirely the fault of the EU. I say again, every single illegal who lands on an English beach came from the 'safe' EU state of France. (IIRC) With most illegal / asylum seekers initially landing in either Greece or Italy it was firstly the case that all European countries had a responsibility to accept them, not just EU countries, secondly, it was not remotely possible or acceptable to contain all migrants in the area where they landed. So naturally the burden was, as it should have been, shared by all EU countries, as well as non-EU countries. IMO, your position on this is seriously flawed. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 26, 2022 7:35:43 GMT
How? - asylum applications rose every single year Cameron was in power. As did immigration. The conditions agreed between Cameron and the EU did not come into force until after the Referendum. That of course required a Remain outcome from the referendum. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 7:37:32 GMT
How? - asylum applications rose every single year Cameron was in power. As did immigration. The conditions agreed between Cameron and the EU did not come into force until after the Referendum. That of course required a Remain outcome from the referendum. could i have a link or evidence to that please? |
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Post by see2 on Oct 26, 2022 7:45:17 GMT
According to Cameron's pre-referendum negotiations with the EU our government / the electorate, could have done a lot about it had we remained in the EU. Don't talk bloody rubbish. Free movement is a fundamental principle of the EU [Article 45 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union] Free movement is written into EU law which thanks to the EU Communities Act is superior to national law. EU citizens are entitled to move to any EU state. FYI. The four principles of freedom of movement are; Free movement of goods. Free movement of capital. Freedom to establish and provide services. Free movement of persons. That's EU law, and there is absolutely nothing Cameron could have done about it. Perhaps you should read what Cameron did negotiate. Are you aware of the changes made to our position in the EU? |
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Post by see2 on Oct 26, 2022 7:50:27 GMT
The conditions agreed between Cameron and the EU did not come into force until after the Referendum. That of course required a Remain outcome from the referendum. could i have a link or evidence to that please? Yes, but it might take a little time as Google seems more interested in adverts these days. And only a few days ago I Googled for information from the late 1990s and was repeatedly given information from 2019 to 2022. So I will provide it later today. |
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