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Post by see2 on Oct 25, 2022 10:39:54 GMT
Yea pacifico the immigrants are somthing we could do something about But you're wonderful Brexit/Tories haven't done anything to fix the problem has a matter of fact immigration has increased during there tenure. With Business asking for a easing on visas because we have over 100, 000 vacancies What your suggestions to take control of immigration? Was it Cameron who said he get immigration down to 100, 000 and back tracked because it wasnt feasible Yes - immigration has increased under the Tories, but now, for the first time, the electorate can do something about it should they so desire. According to Cameron's pre-referendum negotiations with the EU our government / the electorate, could have done a lot about it had we remained in the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 10:56:24 GMT
You are a right winger in denial and as such are not really to be taken too seriously by sensible people. Sensible people, of the Right and the left, do not believe that 30% of the population are destitute...  Here are some actual facts re poverty.... www.statista.com/topics/3809/poverty-in-the-uk/#:~:text=Published%20by%20D.%20Clark%2C%20Feb%2011%2C%202022%20Despite,almost%2014.5%20million%20when%20housing%20costs%20are%20considered. 11.7 million in poverty, rising to 14.5 million once housing costs are taken account of. This includes 3.2 million children, an increase of nearly a million in less than a decade. 14.5 million might not be 30% but it is not far lower, being nearly a quarter. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 25, 2022 10:58:26 GMT
Tax also effects all your competitors - everyone puts their price up and the total market contracts. Less production, less trade, less goods The other thing I suggest few who have not run a business actually notice is the degree to which everything you ever do attracts tax like a giant Ponzi scheme Is it any wonder places famed for their black economy do so much better (unless of course you’re at the bottom of the pile in which case people happily ignore you dying in the gutter) Fortunately for me I know I could not make it as a businessman, I just don't have the sort of talent needed. The main one being I have no desire to be in business. (I do have other positive talents  .) Other than that IMO you make two very good points. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 25, 2022 11:00:04 GMT
Is it any wonder places famed for their black economy do so much better (unless of course you’re at the bottom of the pile in which case people happily ignore you dying in the gutter) A large black or criminal economy, a moribund legitimate economy and the only significant employer being the government. It's a pattern that's great for criminal recruitment and anyone who wants to use the government to force compliance on an unwilling population. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 25, 2022 11:06:22 GMT
Yes - immigration has increased under the Tories, but now, for the first time, the electorate can do something about it should they so desire. According to Cameron's pre-referendum negotiations with the EU our government / the electorate, could have done a lot about it had we remained in the EU. Don't talk bloody rubbish. Free movement is a fundamental principle of the EU [Article 45 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union] Free movement is written into EU law which thanks to the EU Communities Act is superior to national law. EU citizens are entitled to move to any EU state. FYI. The four principles of freedom of movement are; Free movement of goods. Free movement of capital. Freedom to establish and provide services. Free movement of persons. That's EU law, and there is absolutely nothing Cameron could have done about it. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 25, 2022 11:09:41 GMT
Relative poverty, not actual poverty which doesn't exist in the UK.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 25, 2022 11:13:42 GMT
Why is relative poverty worse in the uk then the rest of Western Europe?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 11:21:52 GMT
Relative poverty, not actual poverty which doesn't exist in the UK. Tell that to the homeless on the streets. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 25, 2022 11:23:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 11:23:40 GMT
Why is relative poverty worse in the uk then the rest of Western Europe? Grotesque levels of inequality after more than 4 decades of thatcherite economics is almost certainly the answer. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 11:29:04 GMT
According to Cameron's pre-referendum negotiations with the EU our government / the electorate, could have done a lot about it had we remained in the EU. Don't talk bloody rubbish. Free movement is a fundamental principle of the EU [Article 45 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union] Free movement is written into EU law which thanks to the EU Communities Act is superior to national law. EU citizens are entitled to move to any EU state. FYI. The four principles of freedom of movement are; Free movement of goods. Free movement of capital. Freedom to establish and provide services. Free movement of persons. That's EU law, and there is absolutely nothing Cameron could have done about it. I don't know if you have noticed but most of those trying to come here as refugees or economic migrants do not come from EU countries. Almost none of those risking their lives to cross the Channel hail from Poland, Germany, or France originally. They come from places like Afghanistan, Somalia, and Syria. Inside or outside the EU has made no difference to these. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 25, 2022 11:29:23 GMT
Yea vinny that's relative poverty not real poverty there no poverty In Germany lol
And what percentage of people is in poverty in Germany bet its not 30% like it is in Britain
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Post by Orac on Oct 25, 2022 11:35:03 GMT
Grotesque levels of inequality after more than 4 decades of thatcherite economics is almost certainly the answer. If your definition of poverty allows poverty to increase because people get richer, you have a definition problem |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 25, 2022 11:38:37 GMT
Don't talk bloody rubbish. Free movement is a fundamental principle of the EU [Article 45 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union] Free movement is written into EU law which thanks to the EU Communities Act is superior to national law. EU citizens are entitled to move to any EU state. FYI. The four principles of freedom of movement are; Free movement of goods. Free movement of capital. Freedom to establish and provide services. Free movement of persons. That's EU law, and there is absolutely nothing Cameron could have done about it. I don't know if you have noticed but most of those trying to come here as refugees or economic migrants do not come from EU countries. Almost none of those risking their lives to cross the Channel hail from Poland, Germany, or France originally. They come from places like Afghanistan, Somalia, and Syria. Inside or outside the EU has made no difference to these. Every single illegal who lands on an English beach has come from the EU state of France. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 25, 2022 11:46:41 GMT
Dont worry Vinny ive found the Answer to the question what percentage of the German people in poverty its 16%
That's a lot less then British 30% so statisticically we are a lot poorer and yes that's down to Britex
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