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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 24, 2022 13:18:29 GMT
The state with all its stupid rules just serves as a drag on industrial production. They make a simple process into a hideously complicated one where everyone needs lawyers. If the state aint going to provide for us then we might as well tell it to fuck off with all its rules. That's how it works: no provision - no say, and if you want a say then expect a kick in the teeth. It seems to me that the alternative would be a green light for those who can, to take advantage and return the country back to sending 10-year-old children up the chimney. In short if unbridled capitalism wasn't so awful, we would not be in this state in the first place. What does capitalism have to do with child labour? |
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Post by see2 on Oct 24, 2022 13:29:15 GMT
It seems to me that the alternative would be a green light for those who can, to take advantage and return the country back to sending 10-year-old children up the chimney. In short if unbridled capitalism wasn't so awful, we would not be in this state in the first place. What does capitalism have to do with child labour? I'm not surprised you have to ask, even though it was spelt out loud and clear in my earlier post. The answer is in Unbridled Capitalism. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 24, 2022 13:33:07 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 24, 2022 15:24:00 GMT
Yea pacifico the immigrants are somthing we could do something about But you're wonderful Brexit/Tories haven't done anything to fix the problem has a matter of fact immigration has increased during there tenure. With Business asking for a easing on visas because we have over 100, 000 vacancies What your suggestions to take control of immigration? Was it Cameron who said he get immigration down to 100, 000 and back tracked because it wasnt feasible Yes - immigration has increased under the Tories, but now, for the first time, the electorate can do something about it should they so desire. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 24, 2022 16:39:21 GMT
Im not sure what you mean the electorate can do when like I said when Business are pulling the strings
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 24, 2022 16:40:59 GMT
Im not sure what you mean the electorate can do when like I said when Business are pulling the strings They can elect a government that restricts immigration - whether they will or not is another issue. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 24, 2022 20:16:38 GMT
Have you ever started a business Squeezy? Yes, rather successfully thanks.  Whether to start a business in the UK will be based on 1, The assumption that like the rest of the first world countries it is safe to do so. 2, That there is a market and a profit to be made. Agreed. Only if tax rates were extraordinarily higher than the rest of the civilised world would it be considered. Then we'd best make sure they're not, hadn't we? Which was rather my point. Well I don't think tax at 35% would drive business away, do you? |
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Post by colbops on Oct 24, 2022 20:46:35 GMT
Yes, rather successfully thanks. Agreed. Then we'd best make sure they're not, hadn't we? Which was rather my point. Well I don't think tax at 35% would drive business away, do you? Probably not, they'll just pass on the cost to their customers stoking inflation still further. It would also potentially hurt exporters too. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 24, 2022 21:02:50 GMT
Well I don't think tax at 35% would drive business away, do you? Probably not, they'll just pass on the cost to their customers stoking inflation still further. It would also potentially hurt exporters too. Another non businessman I see. Here's something for you to mull. If a business could charge more for what they sell, why would they not already being doing so? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 24, 2022 21:48:50 GMT
Probably not, they'll just pass on the cost to their customers stoking inflation still further. It would also potentially hurt exporters too. Another non businessman I see. Here's something for you to mull. If a business could charge more for what they sell, why would they not already being doing so? Because their overheads and unit costs are low enough for them not to need to ….plus the price that the competition are selling their products ? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 25, 2022 6:32:44 GMT
Another non businessman I see. Here's something for you to mull. If a business could charge more for what they sell, why would they not already being doing so? Because their overheads and unit costs are low enough for them not to need to ….plus the price that the competition are selling their products ? Pretty much though the phrasing is wrong. Every business charges the maximum they can. This is driven by two things. 1, What the public are willing to pay 2, What the competition are charging. If you raise your price by a couple of percent you see a corresponding drop in purchases. You keep changing this price until you reach the sweet spot. The point at which you are both charging and selling the most you can. The only exceptions to this rule are 1, Those selling essentials (Things the public have to buy) Then the only limit is competition. 2, Those selling products only they have. Then the limit is what the public are willing to pay. If your unit costs and or fixed overheads exceed this sweet spot you go under. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 25, 2022 8:54:48 GMT
Because their overheads and unit costs are low enough for them not to need to ….plus the price that the competition are selling their products ? Pretty much though the phrasing is wrong. Every business charges the maximum they can. This is driven by two things. 1, What the public are willing to pay 2, What the competition are charging. If you raise your price by a couple of percent you see a corresponding drop in purchases. You keep changing this price until you reach the sweet spot. The point at which you are both charging and selling the most you can. The only exceptions to this rule are 1, Those selling essentials (Things the public have to buy) Then the only limit is competition. 2, Those selling products only they have. Then the limit is what the public are willing to pay. If your unit costs and or fixed overheads exceed this sweet spot you go under. If the bloke with the fish and chip shop isn’t making enough money to make the business worthwhile he is going to ignore your wisdom and put the price up. What you are posting is correct but doesn’t necessarily accommodate the reality of desperation ( or the desperation of reality) in small businesses. Neither does it accommodate the sharp rises in supermarket food prices . No matter how much you seem to think that they shouldn’t,the fact is that they are . |
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Post by Orac on Oct 25, 2022 9:20:25 GMT
Tax also effects all your competitors - everyone puts their price up and the total market contracts. Less production, less trade, less goods
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 25, 2022 9:31:09 GMT
After years campaigning on here it has become clear to me that no one wants to raise tax. I know this is 16 pages on, and I know the cabal had her thrown out of number ten for trying to do it, BUT Wasn’t the ENTIRE point of Liz Truss’s argument that if you stimulated the economy the tax take increased as a result WITHOUT the need to increase tax rates. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 25, 2022 9:35:05 GMT
Tax also effects all your competitors - everyone puts their price up and the total market contracts. Less production, less trade, less goods The other thing I suggest few who have not run a business actually notice is the degree to which everything you ever do attracts tax like a giant Ponzi scheme Is it any wonder places famed for their black economy do so much better (unless of course you’re at the bottom of the pile in which case people happily ignore you dying in the gutter) |
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