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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 23, 2022 21:22:13 GMT
In which case I suspect you're thick, or ignorant  I suspect the same of you. I also suspect you are one of the very people I am talking about. You think because I'm a boomer, I've had a privileged life? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 21:28:21 GMT
I suspect the same of you. I also suspect you are one of the very people I am talking about. You think because I'm a boomer, I've had a privileged life? I do not know enough about your personal circumstances to know whether you had a privileged life. I suspect not. But your generation had many advantages which many of you voted to take away from future generations. That you seem so defensive about it whilst coming across as a typical right winger adds fuel to my suspicions as to you being one of them. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 23, 2022 21:30:08 GMT
Yea sandypine I agree in some cases of generations the work ethic of some immigrants ware off But that doesn't take away the fact the ethnic groups like the Indians who are the biggest immigration communty hasnt lost that work ethic. And I think the same can be said Of the EU population in future Generations. Its not only that I think the marjority of African immigrants are workers has well You can't build your case on the minority of work shy when the marjority are hard workers Whether there on high or low income So once again I repeat that is why I said on average and there is little doubt that on average what I said was very true that the average immigrant may supply more tax as an immigrant but his issue on average supplies less as part of an immigrant community. It seems to be an insurmountable problem unless one ethnically selects and we know that is not allowed. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 23, 2022 21:31:15 GMT
You think because I'm a boomer, I've had a privileged life? I do not know enough about your personal circumstances to know whether you had a privileged life. I suspect not. But your generation had many advantages which many of you voted to take away from future generations. That you seem so defensive about it whilst coming across as a typical right winger adds fuel to my suspicions as to you being one of them. Absolute bloody rubbish. What advantages did my generation have compared to future generations? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 21:36:18 GMT
I do not know enough about your personal circumstances to know whether you had a privileged life. I suspect not. But your generation had many advantages which many of you voted to take away from future generations. That you seem so defensive about it whilst coming across as a typical right winger adds fuel to my suspicions as to you being one of them. Absolute bloody rubbish. What advantages did my generation have compared to future generations? Full employment, readily accessible and reasonably well paid full time jobs, paid apprenticeships, free university tuition, plentiful council housing, affordable house prices, a robust welfare safety net for those in dire need. Sufficient housing for all. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 23, 2022 21:38:49 GMT
Absolute bloody rubbish. What advantages did my generation have compared to future generations? Full employment, readily accessible and reasonably well paid full time jobs, paid apprenticeships, free university tuition, plentiful council housing, affordable house prices, a robust welfare safety net for those in dire need. Sufficient housing for all. When was this available? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2022 21:43:47 GMT
Again you misrepresent. They came from a time when only the rich or the high achievers got higher education. You all get to go to university, but have to pay for it. Two different worlds. Which do you want? We do not all get to go to uni, though many more do. But in former times those who didnt mostly left school in a world of full employment and readily available decent jobs including paid apprenticeships. Houses were affordable and social housing readily available within a reasonable time frame. The generations that gained all this voted to take it away from those that followed for their own gain. Not all of them, obviously. But many. Woah, you just moved the goal posts. I answered your point on uni and you moved straight onto housing. Now housing is a problem but I don't think you can blame that on the baby boomers. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 23, 2022 21:49:00 GMT
What this thread is starting to demonstrate, rather neatly, is that there are way too many people who think that the world (or rather anyone that they perceive as being richer than them) owes them a living. And they/it just doesn't. Here's a simple illustration which sums it up for you:
HTH. Very true. Which begs the question, why did vast swathes of baby boomers feel entitled to a council house so they could support and raise their families on one blue collar wage, and then feel entitled to be gifted those council houses on the cheap, and then not contribute enough to build more, depriving future generations of the same. why did those same boomers feel entitled to free further education via grants, but then when it came time for them to contribute, they decided it was too expensive so introduced loans for those that came after them. Why did they, instead of contributing to the upkeep of public services, did they choose to sell those services off to save themselves a bit of cash while depriving future generations of the same services? How come this sense of no-one owing anyone else anything mainly comes from those that literally took the legacy that the war generations built, milked it for all its worth through some sort of self entitlement, and left those that followed with the consequences. On top of all that how come that same group, thinks it is OK they milk the workers of today to keep them in the lap of luxury, because they aren't willing to use the wealth they built up to pay for their retirements themselves. I don't think Baby Boomers forced the government of the day to gift them council houses on the cheap. Thatcher sold off council houses for one of her ideological reasons knowing that a mortgage over one's head would mean people couldn't afford to strike. This generational blame game is typical of today's generation - blaming boomers for government policy. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 21:49:30 GMT
Full employment, readily accessible and reasonably well paid full time jobs, paid apprenticeships, free university tuition, plentiful council housing, affordable house prices, a robust welfare safety net for those in dire need. Sufficient housing for all. When was this available? There were so few homeless people that we used to call them tramps, mostly alkies. Everyone else had somewhere to live, and even after the wartime bombing, prefabs were rapidly built to house people. And house building - particularly social housing - continued at a very high level throughout the 50s and 60s. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 21:50:30 GMT
Off course you can Blame the housing problem on Baby Boomers they the marjorty of old live in under occupied housing .
Instead of Downsizing the Marjority want to remain in there Two or Three bedroom house .
Now you can't say that not a major problem
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 23, 2022 21:54:49 GMT
There were so few homeless people that we used to call them tramps, mostly alkies. Everyone else had somewhere to live, and even after the wartime bombing, prefabs were rapidly built to house people. And house building - particularly social housing - continued at a very high level throughout the 50s and 60s. So why was Shelter formed in 1966 and Centrepoint in 1969? - as someone who was actually around in the 1960's I seem to remember we had a massive homelessness problem - so much so that it was a political firestorm when Ken Loach's play 'Cathy Come Home' was first aired on the BBC. I think you have been reading a fair few romantic novels about what life was like for the Boomers. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 21:56:50 GMT
We do not all get to go to uni, though many more do. But in former times those who didnt mostly left school in a world of full employment and readily available decent jobs including paid apprenticeships. Houses were affordable and social housing readily available within a reasonable time frame. The generations that gained all this voted to take it away from those that followed for their own gain. Not all of them, obviously. But many. Woah, you just moved the goal posts. I answered your point on uni and you moved straight onto housing. Now housing is a problem but I don't think you can blame that on the baby boomers. And I responded by pointing out that those who did not go to uni for free got good full time jobs that were readily available. And housing is an important part of the issue too. And the baby boomer generation played their part. They got their council houses then voted to buy them at huge taxpayer-funded subsidy, denying them to future generations. Some of them bought private houses when they were affordable, then voted to encourage housing price booms which enriched themselves whilst making housing ever more unaffordable for future generations. Those who voted for these things and who took advantage are clearly complicit in the robbery of their childrens' and grandchildrens' generations |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 21:58:36 GMT
There were so few homeless people that we used to call them tramps, mostly alkies. Everyone else had somewhere to live, and even after the wartime bombing, prefabs were rapidly built to house people. And house building - particularly social housing - continued at a very high level throughout the 50s and 60s. So why was Shelter formed in 1966 and Centrepoint in 1969? - as someone who was actually around in the 1960's I seem to remember we had a massive homelessness problem - so much so that it was a political firestorm when Ken Loach's play 'Cathy Come Home' was first aired on the BBC. I think you have been reading a fair few romantic novels about what life was like for the Boomers. The main problem - then as now - was an insufficiently regulated private rental sector. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 23, 2022 22:02:46 GMT
Absolute bloody rubbish. What advantages did my generation have compared to future generations? Full employment, readily accessible and reasonably well paid full time jobs, paid apprenticeships, free university tuition, plentiful council housing, affordable house prices, a robust welfare safety net for those in dire need. Sufficient housing for all. Jeez, talk about glossing over it. My generation, the so called boomer generation, are disciplined and have a strong work ethic. I was brought up to believe that you don't rely on anyone, you work, or go without. When I was born the population was c50 million, today it's c68 million. Such a massive increase in population over such a short space of time is bound to have a detrimental effect on society, particularly on housing and healthcare. Are you aware that since 2007 England has been the most densely populated country in Europe? That's the EU's fault, not baby boomers. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 23, 2022 22:03:56 GMT
Off course you can Blame the housing problem on Baby Boomers they the marjorty of old live in under occupied housing . Instead of Downsizing the Marjority want to remain in there Two or Three bedroom house . Now you can't say that not a major problem Don't be so epically stupid. |
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