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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 23, 2022 20:26:33 GMT
...your larger point fails to acknowledge those derided as "champagne socialists", ie people who are well off yet still believe in a fairer society... AKA hypocrites wealthy enough to avoid the consequences of their indulgence. If you had any intelligence or moral fibre you'd realise that they are exactly the same as the "Rich" that you stupidly love to demonise (although, come to think, they're worse). Nope, sorry Steve but blaming others for your failures just doesn't wash. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 23, 2022 20:28:06 GMT
Very true. Which begs the question, why did vast swathes of baby boomers feel entitled to a council house so they could support and raise their families on one blue collar wage, and then feel entitled to be gifted those council houses on the cheap, and then not contribute enough to build more, depriving future generations of the same. why did those same boomers feel entitled to free further education via grants, but then when it came time for them to contribute, they decided it was too expensive so introduced loans for those that came after them. Why did they, instead of contributing to the upkeep of public services, did they choose to sell those services off to save themselves a bit of cash while depriving future generations of the same services? How come this sense of no-one owing anyone else anything mainly comes from those that literally took the legacy that the war generations built, milked it for all its worth through some sort of self entitlement, and left those that followed with the consequences. On top of all that how come that same group, thinks it is OK they milk the workers of today to keep them in the lap of luxury, because they aren't willing to use the wealth they built up to pay for their retirements themselves. I am 57 years old myself but can see what the boomer generation has done, and how they have shafted future generations in their own greedy self interest. That’s very interesting . I’d like to read more . Feel free to start a new thread because I reckon there are lots of opinions on that . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 20:30:34 GMT
...your larger point fails to acknowledge those derided as "champagne socialists", ie people who are well off yet still believe in a fairer society... AKA hypocrites wealthy enough to avoid the consequences of their indulgence. If you had any intelligence or moral fibre you'd realise that they are exactly the same as the "Rich" that you stupidly love to demonise (although, come to think, they're worse). Nope, sorry Steve but blaming others for your failures just doesn't wash. Laughable bollocks, frankly. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2022 20:31:45 GMT
Ignoring your pejorative assumptions and well remembered modus operandi of trying to personalise everything into personal attacks, your larger point fails to acknowledge those derided as "champagne socialists", ie people who are well off yet still believe in a fairer society. Thereby demonstrating that they are not all mean-spirited selfish toads like you Sorry to hear you had such a shit time as a kid. But my point about many of that generation still stands. They got their cheap housing and and free tuition and voted to take it away from future generations. Not all of them, obviously. There were many who opposed such policies on principle. But too many of them. Again you misrepresent. They came from a time when only the rich or the high achievers got higher education. You all get to go to university, but have to pay for it. Two different worlds. Which do you want? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 20:36:40 GMT
Sorry to hear you had such a shit time as a kid. But my point about many of that generation still stands. They got their cheap housing and and free tuition and voted to take it away from future generations. Not all of them, obviously. There were many who opposed such policies on principle. But too many of them. Again you misrepresent. They came from a time when only the rich or the high achievers got higher education. You all get to go to university, but have to pay for it. Two different worlds. Which do you want? We do not all get to go to uni, though many more do. But in former times those who didnt mostly left school in a world of full employment and readily available decent jobs including paid apprenticeships. Houses were affordable and social housing readily available within a reasonable time frame. The generations that gained all this voted to take it away from those that followed for their own gain. Not all of them, obviously. But many. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 23, 2022 20:45:34 GMT
The data, based on median gross hourly earnings between 2012 and 2018, shows that the Chinese ethnicity group is the highest paid, receiving 15.75 pounds an hour in 2018, followed by the Indian ethic group, which earns 13.47 pounds an hour."The average employees from the Chinese and Indian ethnic groups have consistently earned more than the average White British employee since 2012. For the Indian ethnic group, the gap has stayed relatively consistent since 2012 and in 2018 stood at negative 12 per cent,” the ONS analysis notes.The category the defined as Mixed/Multiple ethnicity group, came in third with 12.33 pounds hourly pay rate, with the median pay of the White British group found to be 12.03 pounds what im clearly stating how ever you try and twist it the immigrant community pays more in Taxes then the Native British Well you are still ignoring the point that on average immigrant communities combined pay less tax when compared to non immigrant community. I do not dispute your figures however selecting several communities that are doing well and ignoring others that are doing badly is just playing games as your initial comment was as regards immigration with no defined area of from whence. I merely pointed out that once we move into second generation and beyond for some reason, on average, the work ethic is lost and less tax is the overall result |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 23, 2022 20:56:51 GMT
Bullshit, you're just blaming others for your own lack of achievement. I'm younger than you and not blaming the older generation for anything. We all have to play the hand we're given, in the time in which we live. Perhaps you should have tried harder at school, Shrieky Steve.  I am not blaming them for my life, but for shafting the lives of the younger generations including millions of hard working strivers. Me, me, me writ large. And methinks you are old before your time cos you sound like one of their soulmates. lol Hang on we have just had a post above whereby it was clearly stated that Chinese and Indian were the successful ethnic groups over and above the white British so perhaps it is not the baby boomers that have grabbed all to themselves. There seems to be inconsistencies in the argument. Perhaps the younger generations of millions of hard working strivers need to be clear where the wealth supposedly is. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 23, 2022 21:04:37 GMT
In which case I suspect you're thick, or ignorant  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 23, 2022 21:08:32 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 23, 2022 21:09:10 GMT
In which case I suspect you're thick, or ignorant He's a raving lefty, so both. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 23, 2022 21:09:12 GMT
After years campaigning on here it has become clear to me that no one wants to raise tax. So we must accept a lower standard of living.
In no small part that has been exacerbated by those same baby boomers who have at every turn, selfishly ensured they haven't shared the pain. We now have a society of 60+ers living extremely comfortable lives, living in big houses with spare bedrooms, playing with their train sets while the workers of today live in poverty. Time for a dramatic wealth redistribution programme, and if not forthcoming, an intergenerational civil war Eh? - who has had a decreasing standard of living in the last 40 years? If you dont have the latest Nike trainers and only have a 30 inch TV you are now living in poverty - you couldn't cope with the standard of living the boomers grew up in.. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 21:14:42 GMT
In which case I suspect you're thick, or ignorant I suspect the same of you. I also suspect you are one of the very people I am talking about. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 23, 2022 21:16:33 GMT
Everyone that came after the baby boomers have been accepting an ever decreasing standard of living.
In no small part that has been exacerbated by those same baby boomers who have at every turn, selfishly ensured they haven't shared the pain. We now have a society of 60+ers living extremely comfortable lives, living in big houses with spare bedrooms, playing with their train sets while the workers of today live in poverty. Time for a dramatic wealth redistribution programme, and if not forthcoming, an intergenerational civil war Eh? - who has had a decreasing standard of living in the last 40 years? If you dont have the latest Nike trainers and only have a 30 inch TV you are now living in poverty - you couldn't cope with the standard of living the boomers grew up in.. It seems to be wilful blindness and a strong desire to blame someone for their own dissatisfaction with a life whereby they cannot get everything the minute they leave school. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 21:19:08 GMT
I am 57 years old myself but can see what the boomer generation has done, and how they have shafted future generations in their own greedy self interest. That’s very interesting . I’d like to read more . Feel free to start a new thread because I reckon there are lots of opinions on that . I agree it would make a good thread, too much trolling of Steve srb by trolls on this thread to make it worthwhile here. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 21:19:54 GMT
Yea sandypine I agree in some cases of generations the work ethic of some immigrants ware off
But that doesn't take away the fact the ethnic groups like the Indians who are the biggest immigration communty hasnt lost that work ethic.
And I think the same can be said Of the EU population in future Generations.
Its not only that I think the marjority of African immigrants are workers has well
You can't build your case on the minority of work shy when the marjority are hard workers
Whether there on high or low income
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