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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 20:18:02 GMT
The next election is in 2024. Opinion polls today won't mean much in 2024. What will matter is the election result. If Sunak becomes leader there's a chance to turn things around. Boris Johnson has ruled himself out. www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63327087 |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 23, 2022 20:33:46 GMT
What poverty stricken areas need are factories. Mass employment, not handouts. I've spent a fair bit of time researching this and noticed on nearly every occasion, to make a factory you need a product, and in order to get your product on the market it needs to be better than the incumbent business. It's like the incumbent business have every finest detail sussed and you as a newcomer simple have not, so there is nothing to pull the customer away from their existing preferred suppliers. So we we work back the other way and see what all successful British manufacturing had to start with, it is in more than 9/10 a invention. The invention makes either or both the product manufacturing costs cheaper or the performance outperforming the existing designs. Dyson did it with his vacuum cleaner and even if we go right back to the first Bentley motorcars, they were the ones with the huge engines, as in the Ferraris of their time. Every firm had some point that marked them out as different, but today we are rather fucked because the kind of things that mark the product out is gravitating to the product's celeb status, i.e. into the realm of triviality. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 24, 2022 5:58:37 GMT
The next election is in 2024. Opinion polls today won't mean much in 2024. What will matter is the election result. If Sunak becomes leader there's a chance to turn things around. Boris Johnson has ruled himself out. www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63327087We are ten weeks away from 2023 vinny , so in the grand scheme of things , a general election isnt that far away . Thats if it can be strung out till then. Im not sure a sunak government is going to be all that stable.
Totally get what you say about opinion polls ,but we are talking about rishi sunak here. Lets not forget this is a man who couldnt beat the hapless liz truss , and is despised by tory members , now being forced on the yookay by tory politicians.
We will have to wait and see , as ever what happens. I cant help shake the feeling we need to get prepared for a new labour incoming government. I think sunak is woefull and if him and mordaunt are the best of the rank and file tories , then the talent pool is even smaller in that party than i could have guessed.
Keir starmer and reeves etc must be thanking their lucky stars and down on their hands and knees , or should that be taking the knee , thanking the tories .
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Post by Vinny on Oct 24, 2022 6:12:59 GMT
Liz Truss was promising tax cuts that traditional Tories love. Rishi Sunak recognised that's not possible because of the state of the nation's finances post Covid.
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Post by thomas on Oct 24, 2022 6:22:57 GMT
Rishi Sunak recognised that's not possible because of the state of the nation's finances post Covid. Wasnt he the one who blew circa £400 billion , much of it wasted?
No good complaining about the state of the yookays finances now is it?
You raise an important point though. This lack of spending and inability to offer the public , especially tory voters , a bribe is why i think sunak is going to get hammered. I hear richard Tice was on twitter annoucning his thanks to johnson and sunak for all the tories who are leaving the conservatives to join his reform uk party.
We are back where we were before cameron announced his brexit referendum , with the smaller parties breathing down the tories necks. I think both labour and tory are going to lose supporters , and steve srb could possibly be right that it may be a hung parliament.
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Post by sheepy on Oct 24, 2022 6:44:39 GMT
Rishi Sunak recognised that's not possible because of the state of the nation's finances post Covid. Wasnt he the one who blew circa £400 billion , much of it wasted?
No good complaining about the state of the yookays finances now is it?
You raise an important point though. This lack of spending and inability to offer the public , especially tory voters , a bribe is why i think sunak is going to get hammered. I hear richard Tice was on twitter annoucning his thanks to johnson and sunak for all the tories who are leaving the conservatives to join his reform uk party.
We are back where we were before cameron announced his brexit referendum , with the smaller parties breathing down the tories necks. I think both labour and tory are going to lose supporters , and steve srb could possibly be right that it may be a hung parliament.
The Tories are committing assisted suicide, all people have to do now is hold their nerve and vote accordingly, it will finally be the end for the Westminster party. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 24, 2022 6:57:22 GMT
Wasnt he the one who blew circa £400 billion , much of it wasted?
No good complaining about the state of the yookays finances now is it?
You raise an important point though. This lack of spending and inability to offer the public , especially tory voters , a bribe is why i think sunak is going to get hammered. I hear richard Tice was on twitter annoucning his thanks to johnson and sunak for all the tories who are leaving the conservatives to join his reform uk party.
We are back where we were before cameron announced his brexit referendum , with the smaller parties breathing down the tories necks. I think both labour and tory are going to lose supporters , and steve srb could possibly be right that it may be a hung parliament.
The Tories are committing assisted suicide, all people have to do now is hold their nerve and vote accordingly, it will finally be the end for the Westminster party. lol. Emily thornberry doing the rounds sheepwash , thats lady nugee to you and me , telling the plebs the granchildren are going to be paying back tories debt. im still paying labours fucking debt.
On top of that , robert peston telling the plebs the uk economy is doomed unless you rejoin the eu .You are getting prepped for a westmisnter party rejoin . I can see ther being fucking riots on the street shortly.
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Post by thomas on Oct 24, 2022 6:59:51 GMT
Wasnt he the one who blew circa £400 billion , much of it wasted?
No good complaining about the state of the yookays finances now is it?
You raise an important point though. This lack of spending and inability to offer the public , especially tory voters , a bribe is why i think sunak is going to get hammered. I hear richard Tice was on twitter annoucning his thanks to johnson and sunak for all the tories who are leaving the conservatives to join his reform uk party.
We are back where we were before cameron announced his brexit referendum , with the smaller parties breathing down the tories necks. I think both labour and tory are going to lose supporters , and steve srb could possibly be right that it may be a hung parliament.
The Tories are committing assisted suicide, all people have to do now is hold their nerve and vote accordingly, it will finally be the end for the Westminster party. lol !
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Post by Vinny on Oct 24, 2022 8:43:06 GMT
Thomas, you don't have to like the guy.
But, being objective, if you were a Conservative, which candidate would you prefer, him, or Mordaunt?
I'm not a member of any party.
I will not allow myself to be part of one, they're all shit to varying degrees.
But, putting myself in the situation of the Conservatives, Rishi Sunak is the least worst option. And right now they're damaged.
Boris Johnson's role in the Chris Pincher scandal, then the Liz Truss train wreck....
They're in for a very very rough ride.
Sunak at least comes across as a professional, competent politician.
If you were a Conservative, who would be the least worst to you and why?
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Post by piglet on Oct 24, 2022 10:33:52 GMT
I want Sunak. When he is in charge he wont have too pander to anyone. He has a brain the size of Neptune.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 24, 2022 12:12:44 GMT
I want Sunak. When he is in charge he wont have too pander to anyone. He has a brain the size of Neptune. The probability he is a US stooge is greater than 50% in my estimation. By the same reckoning my guess is the probability of Liz Truss being a US stooge is less than 50%. If you still don't know how it works, ask a Pakistani.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 24, 2022 14:14:20 GMT
And here we have it, he's our Prime Minister.
Just a shame that he didn't get to shake hands with the Queen.
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Post by sheepy on Oct 24, 2022 14:45:50 GMT
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 24, 2022 14:58:57 GMT
Liz Truss was promising tax cuts that traditional Tories love. Rishi Sunak recognised that's not possible because of the state of the nation's finances post Covid. Indeed Vinny. I'm no Tory, but Sunak is the only person who understands the problem the UK is in right now. This mess started before Truss it should be said. We borrowed unsustainable levels with Covid and that borrowing was going to continue under Truss meaning it spooked the market. Now it is about balancing the books. There are some tough calls to make and it doesn't necessarily mean Austerity. But if we want the services we all expect, I expect tax rises at the very least. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 24, 2022 15:07:22 GMT
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