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Post by Vinny on Oct 22, 2022 18:56:30 GMT
He's the only competent choice for the party.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2022 19:37:16 GMT
Competent = the IMF/WB/WEF choice for leader of the party?
He's intelligent and has some charisma and I guess comes across as well-presented, so I'll give him that, but it would probably be better if someone else ran the country?
My pick has always been Ben Wallace who I'd prefer over any Labour candidate (yes, over any left wing candidate who would sell out Ukraine to Putin, like Wurzel (Corbyn) would have because he's a treasonous traitorous sewer). Starmer is a waste of space.
The truth is none of them are fit to run a bath let alone the country, can't imagine Bojo running things again as that will be truly awful, but people are actually proud to back a shameless liar who said 'money spent on child abuse invistigations is money spaffed up the wall' (thereby supposing he wouldn't want to spend money on Rotherham etc - what a sick bastard Bojo is).
I can't believe this is what we're lumped with.
But as said, my pick would always have been Wallace who smartly ruled himself out of the race, because he wants no part of it, and is doing an excellent job in post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 7:03:50 GMT
Rishi Sunak has far more integrity than Boris and far more economic nous than Truss or anyone else who is actually likely to be standing.
Ben Wallace is unlikely to be a candidate so will not exist as an option.
I agree Starmer is a waste of space but the Tories are running such a car crash that his only effective policy of not being the Tories seems to be working wonders at the moment. But he is not going to get in just yet either because it is the Tories only who have the power to call an early election and turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 7:16:35 GMT
Nice to see you here Steve (was Dynamis on Pol-Tics).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 7:24:21 GMT
Competent = the IMF/WB/WEF choice for leader of the party? He's intelligent and has some charisma and I guess comes across as well-presented, so I'll give him that, but it would probably be better if someone else ran the country? My pick has always been Ben Wallace who I'd prefer over any Labour candidate (yes, over any left wing candidate who would sell out Ukraine to Putin, like Wurzel (Corbyn) would have because he's a treasonous traitorous sewer). Starmer is a waste of space. The truth is none of them are fit to run a bath let alone the country, can't imagine Bojo running things again as that will be truly awful, but people are actually proud to back a shameless liar who said 'money spent on child abuse invistigations is money spaffed up the wall' (thereby supposing he wouldn't want to spend money on Rotherham etc - what a sick bastard Bojo is). I can't believe this is what we're lumped with. But as said, my pick would always have been Wallace who smartly ruled himself out of the race, because he wants no part of it, and is doing an excellent job in post.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 7:36:23 GMT
He's the only competent choice for the party. Howling!!!!
Im not a tory , cant stand either of the three candidates for leadership , but i have to say im not sure where you get the word competent for when describing sunak.?
Mordaunt seems another clown like liz truss , but why are you silent on johnson while clapping sunak?
Johnson is a clown , and has had a woefull premiership , but im not sure how sunak can be excused while johnson villified?
Everything that happened under boris johnson leadership as pm , sunak stood by his side as his right hand man and is up to his neck in every lamentable deed johnson was mired in.
Grudgingly , what i will say is johnson is a campaginer and vote winner. If the tories do indeed elect sunak , they are toast in my opinion. A backstabbing incompetent so out of touch with the electorate its unreal.
Brexiters dont like him , neither do the public according to polls , and he seems to be yet another darling of the careerst centrists that inhabit the right of labour and the left of the tory parties. If sunak wins, i can see the tories being floored for a generation through infighting and ineptitude.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 23, 2022 8:58:49 GMT
Competent = the IMF/WB/WEF choice for leader of the party? He's intelligent and has some charisma and I guess comes across as well-presented, so I'll give him that, but it would probably be better if someone else ran the country? My pick has always been Ben Wallace who I'd prefer over any Labour candidate (yes, over any left wing candidate who would sell out Ukraine to Putin, like Wurzel (Corbyn) would have because he's a treasonous traitorous sewer). Starmer is a waste of space. The truth is none of them are fit to run a bath let alone the country, can't imagine Bojo running things again as that will be truly awful, but people are actually proud to back a shameless liar who said 'money spent on child abuse invistigations is money spaffed up the wall' (thereby supposing he wouldn't want to spend money on Rotherham etc - what a sick bastard Bojo is). I can't believe this is what we're lumped with. But as said, my pick would always have been Wallace who smartly ruled himself out of the race, because he wants no part of it, and is doing an excellent job in post. I would have preferred Wallace, but he does not want job I think that was a shrewd move on his part whoever does get the Job they are in for a very rough time |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 9:02:00 GMT
Competent = the IMF/WB/WEF choice for leader of the party? He's intelligent and has some charisma and I guess comes across as well-presented, so I'll give him that, but it would probably be better if someone else ran the country? My pick has always been Ben Wallace who I'd prefer over any Labour candidate (yes, over any left wing candidate who would sell out Ukraine to Putin, like Wurzel (Corbyn) would have because he's a treasonous traitorous sewer). Starmer is a waste of space. The truth is none of them are fit to run a bath let alone the country, can't imagine Bojo running things again as that will be truly awful, but people are actually proud to back a shameless liar who said 'money spent on child abuse invistigations is money spaffed up the wall' (thereby supposing he wouldn't want to spend money on Rotherham etc - what a sick bastard Bojo is). I can't believe this is what we're lumped with. But as said, my pick would always have been Wallace who smartly ruled himself out of the race, because he wants no part of it, and is doing an excellent job in post. I would have preferred Wallace, but he does not want job I think that was a shrewd move on his part whoever does get the Job they are in for a very rough time They are indeed , especially if its sunak. Im not sure how a guy who was so comprehensively rejected by tory members in the summer can seriously expect to come in for a second time and take over the reigns without there being uproar? |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 23, 2022 9:45:45 GMT
I would have preferred Wallace, but he does not want job I think that was a shrewd move on his part whoever does get the Job they are in for a very rough time They are indeed , especially if its sunak. Im not sure how a guy who was so comprehensively rejected by tory members in the summer can seriously expect to come in for a second time and take over the reigns without there being uproar? But then they are so obviously now bypassing the Tory membership, everybody shouting for Sunak knows full well it will be he doesn't have a mandate. Or by now they should do. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 9:50:35 GMT
They are indeed , especially if its sunak. Im not sure how a guy who was so comprehensively rejected by tory members in the summer can seriously expect to come in for a second time and take over the reigns without there being uproar? But then they are so obviously now bypassing the Tory membership, everybody shouting for Sunak knows full well it will be he doesn't have a mandate. Or by now they should do. uk democracy at its finest as we have seen time and again. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 10:14:30 GMT
The Tories have got the best system for deposing a crap leader of any party, not just in the UK but the world.
If Labour had a mirror of their system they might have got a decent leader by now.
Instead, theres been so many times they were stuck with election losers like Michael Foot, Neil Kinnock, Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband, Jeremy Corbyn, and Keir Starmer is about as exciting as a dose of Covid.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 10:19:59 GMT
The Tories have got the best system for deposing a crap leader of any party, not just in the UK but the world. If Labour had a mirror of their system they might have got a decent leader by now. Instead, theres been so many times they were stuck with election losers like Michael Foot, Neil Kinnock, Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband, Jeremy Corbyn, and Keir Starmer is about as exciting as a dose of Covid. The thread is about rishi sunak and the conservative leadership , not the perceived faults of the labour party internal machine.
I maintain rishi sunak is as tarred as boris johnson is in terms of the faults of the tory government post 2019 , and as such would be a fucking disaster as leader if "coronated" into power.
The uk doesnt want sunak , and the tory membership dont want him , so sheepies point stands in terms of democracy if he is coronated. One shit electoral system doesnt validate another simply because its slightly less shit.
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Post by bancroft on Oct 23, 2022 10:39:42 GMT
It's a case of the least worst option and I think Bojo is the worst option as he might not make it to the next election, too many enemies.
Sunak in his debates with Truss was persistent against tax cuts in the current economic period agreeing it would be nice yet not practical.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 10:49:18 GMT
It's a case of the least worst option You have just highlighted the continuing problem with uk politics and why politically it continues to spiral into oblivion.
Herding the electorate down an alleyway facing a binary choice of dumb and dumber is not only anti democratic, its enabling the dissent we see risesing across the uk at every level.
People had the cheek to mock the EU for offering up the same choice and making people vote and vote again till they voted the right way? I dont think either sunak or johnson should be on the ballot , but as they are , i fail to see how sunak is better than johnson.
The tory membership have already rejected sunak , and support johnson. I would say sunak will destory the party if elected , maybe thats why he is being offered up time and again.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 10:50:16 GMT
I think you're forgetting something.
We're not having a General Election right now.
The least worst out of Boris Johnson, Penny Mordaunt and Rishi Sunak is Rishi Sunak.
However the country votes in a General Election, will be debated in good time.
Right now the Tories would get absolutely battered in a General Election and give Labour their biggest vote since 1997.
The Tories need someone who isn't going to completely annihilate the party. Had Liz Truss stayed at the helm, they'd have gone the way of the liberals, into obscurity.
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