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Post by B0ycey on Oct 24, 2022 15:11:38 GMT
Sheepy, you should know that whoever the Tories put in I am not voting for them given we have had discussions on that on the other forum. But Sunak isn't deadwood. He understands the issue we have with high borrowing. It is two years until a general election, he is simply the only Tory who has a brain. That is all I am saying. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 24, 2022 15:17:11 GMT
Sheepy, you should know that whoever the Tories put in I am not voting for them given we have had discussions on that on the other forum. But Sunak isn't deadwood. He understands the issue we have with high borrowing. It is two years until a general election, he is simply the only Tory who has a brain. That is all I am saying. Except he is a front man for the bankers, and you will be suffering for it, and you can scream bad Tory. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 15:21:53 GMT
You will be voting Tory with Vinny then Boycey That's hilarious. Boycey vote Tory? Hell will have frozen over first. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 24, 2022 15:24:00 GMT
Sheepy, you should know that whoever the Tories put in I am not voting for them given we have had discussions on that on the other forum. But Sunak isn't deadwood. He understands the issue we have with high borrowing. It is two years until a general election, he is simply the only Tory who has a brain. That is all I am saying. Except he is a front man for the bankers, and you will be suffering for it, and you can scream bad Tory. Doesn't matter which Tory is brought in, they are all Serfs for the bankers. My issue with Truss was uncosted borrowing. Sunak won't do that. It doesn't mean I will vote for him in a general election but at least I don't need to worry about him bankrupting the nation under his leadership. |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 24, 2022 15:30:34 GMT
I was looking at the debt to GDP ratio and we were at 99.6%
That was better than a year ago when we breached at 102% this might be why lock downs ended!
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Post by sheepy on Oct 24, 2022 15:52:03 GMT
Except he is a front man for the bankers, and you will be suffering for it, and you can scream bad Tory. Doesn't matter which Tory is brought in, they are all Serfs for the bankers. My issue with Truss was uncosted borrowing. Sunak won't do that. It doesn't mean I will vote for him in a general election but at least I don't need to worry about him bankrupting the nation under his leadership. How do you work that out? they already bankrupted the country in 2007 under Labour. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 24, 2022 15:52:14 GMT
Thomas, you don't have to like the guy. But, being objective, if you were a Conservative, which candidate would you prefer, him, or Mordaunt? I'm not a member of any party. I will not allow myself to be part of one, they're all shit to varying degrees. But, putting myself in the situation of the Conservatives, Rishi Sunak is the least worst option. And right now they're damaged. Boris Johnson's role in the Chris Pincher scandal, then the Liz Truss train wreck.... They're in for a very very rough ride. Sunak at least comes across as a professional, competent politician. If you were a Conservative, who would be the least worst to you and why? being honest and objective, if a gun were held to my head and i had to pick between sunak and moraunt , you would of course pick sunak. Mordaunt is a relatively unknown , and what little i have seen of her , she doesnt stand out at all.
I thought kemi badenoch seemed fairly intelligent and articulate , but then im not a tory and dont vote conservative , although my old man was.
I can t honestly see sunak lasting the next two years , i really cant. just my opinion.
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Post by thomas on Oct 24, 2022 15:54:34 GMT
aye sheep , i think they are getting positioned for an eu by the back door BRINO over the next few years. You could see boris returning as pm wasnt fitting in with those plans so had to go. Bet plenty of dirty deals were being done behind closed doors to keep him out "for the good of the country and party" lmfao.
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Post by thomas on Oct 24, 2022 15:58:06 GMT
Sheepy, you should know that whoever the Tories put in I am not voting for them given we have had discussions on that on the other forum. But Sunak isn't deadwood. He understands the issue we have with high borrowing. It is two years until a general election, he is simply the only Tory who has a brain. That is all I am saying. According to the opinion polls , and of course it is only polls and quite far out , "the tory with a brain" as you put it is going to lead them to the slaughter in a general election. So i can understand why you want him in charge. Starmer needs all the help he can get.
I think this time around though boycey , after the incoming new labour term in power , they are going to take such a fackin fall from power never again will those labour party scum rise.
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 24, 2022 16:06:44 GMT
Doesn't matter which Tory is brought in, they are all Serfs for the bankers. My issue with Truss was uncosted borrowing. Sunak won't do that. It doesn't mean I will vote for him in a general election but at least I don't need to worry about him bankrupting the nation under his leadership. How do you work that out? they already bankrupted the country in 2007 under Labour. How did the nation bankrupt itself in 2007? We didn't ask for an IMF loan which under Trussonomics was a forgone conclusion. As it turned out the 2008 crash unearthed that we as a nation was able to borrow large amounts without much inflation and MMT became vogue. The issue now is that the Tories got addicted to cheap debt and covid was the straw that broke the camels back bursting that bubble and now if we borrow we do so with a high interest I'm glits. The market didn't like billions of uncosted borrowing and the BoE couldn't continue to buy bonds for much longer without turning the UK into Weimar. Economists said that if we continued on that path was we would require an IMF bailout. That is the bankruptcy I was talking about. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 24, 2022 16:13:24 GMT
Sheepy, you should know that whoever the Tories put in I am not voting for them given we have had discussions on that on the other forum. But Sunak isn't deadwood. He understands the issue we have with high borrowing. It is two years until a general election, he is simply the only Tory who has a brain. That is all I am saying. According to the opinion polls , and of course it is only polls and quite far out , "the tory with a brain" as you put it is going to lead them to the slaughter in a general election. So i can understand why you want him in charge. Starmer needs all the help he can get.
I think this time around though boycey , after the incoming new labour term in power , they are going to take such a fackin fall from power never again will those labour party scum rise.
If Sunak tanks the Tories popularity to such an extent that Labour win power than so be it Thomas. Of course that is to my advantage. But that wasn't why I wanted Sunak to win the leadership. I think he is the only person who can fix the blackhole the treasury finds itself with. I also think he will perform better in a GE than either Mordaunt and Johnson could given Johnson has his own problems and Mordaunt is unknown. And that is saying I think Labour was always going to win the next election whatever leader the Tories picked and with Sunak they will at least get a half decent majority as he has economic credibility even if that credibility comes with tax rises. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 24, 2022 16:18:02 GMT
According to the opinion polls , and of course it is only polls and quite far out , "the tory with a brain" as you put it is going to lead them to the slaughter in a general election. So i can understand why you want him in charge. Starmer needs all the help he can get.
I think this time around though boycey , after the incoming new labour term in power , they are going to take such a fackin fall from power never again will those labour party scum rise.
If Sunak tanks the Tories popularity to such an extent that Labour win power than so be it Thomas. Of course that is to my advantage. But that wasn't why I wanted Sunak to win the leadership. I think he is the only person who can fix the blackhole the treasury finds itself with. I also think he will perform better in a GE than either Mordaunt and Johnson could given Johnson has his own problems and Mordaunt is unknown. And that is saying I think Labour was always going to win the next election whatever leader the Tories picked and with Sunak they will at least get a half decent majority as he has economic credibility even if that credibility comes with tax rises. Labour are polling just over 50 % of the uk vote and looking likely to take 78 % of seats at the minute .
labour are living in cloud cuckoo land is they think scots are going to sit back , and accept a party ( labour) that 70% of us reject at the ballot box lording it over us again . Bring it on i say.
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Post by sheepy on Oct 24, 2022 16:23:53 GMT
How do you work that out? they already bankrupted the country in 2007 under Labour. How did the nation bankrupt itself in 2007? We didn't ask for an IMF loan which under Trussonomics was a forgone conclusion. As it turned out the 2008 crash unearthed that we as a nation was able to borrow large amounts without much inflation and MMT became vogue. The issue now is that the Tories got addicted to cheap debt and covid was the straw that broke the camels back bursting that bubble and now if we borrow we do so with a high interest I'm glits. The market didn't like billions of uncosted borrowing and the BoE couldn't continue to buy bonds for much longer without turning the UK into Weimar. Economists said that if we continued on that path was we would require an IMF bailout. That is the bankruptcy I was talking about. So why do you think they want access to EU markets unless it is to create even more debt and fill their own pockets, they couldn't give a flying one what happens to you or anyone else. They have been printing and borrowing ever since 2007 at astronomical amounts to prop up a bankrupt system while sinking it into markets that have been goosed ever since, while you get austerity and the blame. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 24, 2022 16:28:57 GMT
If Sunak tanks the Tories popularity to such an extent that Labour win power than so be it Thomas. Of course that is to my advantage. But that wasn't why I wanted Sunak to win the leadership. I think he is the only person who can fix the blackhole the treasury finds itself with. I also think he will perform better in a GE than either Mordaunt and Johnson could given Johnson has his own problems and Mordaunt is unknown. And that is saying I think Labour was always going to win the next election whatever leader the Tories picked and with Sunak they will at least get a half decent majority as he has economic credibility even if that credibility comes with tax rises. Labour are polling just over 50 % of the uk vote and looking likely to take 78 % of seats at the minute .
labour are living in cloud cuckoo land is they think scots are going to sit back , and accept a party ( labour) that 70% of us reject at the ballot box lording it over us again . Bring it on i say.
Indeed. I don't think Labour will make much gains in Scotland and anything they do get will be from Tory voters jumping ship and not SNP becoming unionists. Nonetheless the Tories imploding doesn't just help Labour but also the SNP in any case. Six weeks of Truss has been better than everything Johnson did for independence I would say given Unionists can't even say now being part of the UK is good for the economy and didn't Yes campaigners once say Johnson did more for independence than the SNP ever did due to his incompetence so much so there was a campaign to get a statue of him put up in Glasgow. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 24, 2022 16:30:19 GMT
How did the nation bankrupt itself in 2007? We didn't ask for an IMF loan which under Trussonomics was a forgone conclusion. As it turned out the 2008 crash unearthed that we as a nation was able to borrow large amounts without much inflation and MMT became vogue. The issue now is that the Tories got addicted to cheap debt and covid was the straw that broke the camels back bursting that bubble and now if we borrow we do so with a high interest I'm glits. The market didn't like billions of uncosted borrowing and the BoE couldn't continue to buy bonds for much longer without turning the UK into Weimar. Economists said that if we continued on that path was we would require an IMF bailout. That is the bankruptcy I was talking about. So why do you think they want access to EU markets unless it is to create even more debt and fill their own pockets, they couldn't give a flying one what happens to you or anyone else. They have been printing and borrowing ever since 2007 at astronomical amounts to prop up a bankrupt system while sinking it into markets that have been goosed ever since, while you get austerity and the blame. LOL you had better get my spare room ready because that makes at least two of us. Putting up with Sturgeon would be even better than that. |
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