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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 17:52:14 GMT
He's the only competent choice for the party. i have to say im not sure where you get the word competent for when describing sunak.?
Well I am no Tory supporter as those who know me from elsewhere will know, but Sunak has far more economic nous than Boris, let alone Truss. Whilst Boris backed Truss, Sunak criticised her fairy tale economics and said where it would lead and has been proven right, apparently the one who knew what he was talking about. And I believe Sunak does have more integrity than Boris too, the latter being in a league of his own when it comes to lying and corruption. Sunak stood as his chancellor for some time before he finally decided that enough was enough, along with half the rest of the parliamentary Tory party. He is constantly being attacked in Tory circles for stabbing Boris in the back, yet you criticise him for staying silent for so long. I guess you cannot please everyone. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 18:50:48 GMT
i have to say im not sure where you get the word competent for when describing sunak.?
Well I am no Tory supporter as those who know me from elsewhere will know, but Sunak has far more economic nous than Boris, let alone Truss. Whilst Boris backed Truss, Sunak criticised her fairy tale economics and said where it would lead and has been proven right, apparently the one who knew what he was talking about. And I believe Sunak does have more integrity than Boris too, the latter being in a league of his own when it comes to lying and corruption. Sunak stood as his chancellor for some time before he finally decided that enough was enough, along with half the rest of the parliamentary Tory party. He is constantly being attacked in Tory circles for stabbing Boris in the back, yet you criticise him for staying silent for so long. I guess you cannot please everyone. Not sure i agree with you steve , and i think you are letting your personal dislike of johnson get in the way of what is being said here.
I said im not sure competent is a word i would use about sunak. For many reasons. Wether johnson is or isnt competent isnt what is being discussed here.
Sunak and integrity is also a big doubt , i see nothing honest about stabbing johnson in the back , or anything decent in his politics or economics.
Thats neither here nor there though. The point im making is i cant see how the tories can inflict yet another prime minister on us without a general election. Technically they can , but they will pay a heavy price if its sunak. For many reasons mentioned and more.
sorry dont understand this ? Where have i criticised sunak for staying silent on what topic? You will have to elaborate.
obviously you cant , but i can look at this in a more neutral manner than you.
Im just struggling to understand why boris right hand right wing man could be described as having integrity and some sort of economic nous after twhat we have witnessed these past few years. Of course you hate johnson with a passion , so it clouds your judgement. I hate the lot of them equally , including starmer and his new labour scum , so perhaps im seeing things different.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 23, 2022 19:05:59 GMT
Competent = the IMF/WB/WEF choice for leader of the party? He's intelligent and has some charisma and I guess comes across as well-presented, so I'll give him that, but it would probably be better if someone else ran the country? My pick has always been Ben Wallace who I'd prefer over any Labour candidate (yes, over any left wing candidate who would sell out Ukraine to Putin, like Wurzel (Corbyn) would have because he's a treasonous traitorous sewer). Starmer is a waste of space. The truth is none of them are fit to run a bath let alone the country, can't imagine Bojo running things again as that will be truly awful, but people are actually proud to back a shameless liar who said 'money spent on child abuse invistigations is money spaffed up the wall' (thereby supposing he wouldn't want to spend money on Rotherham etc - what a sick bastard Bojo is). I can't believe this is what we're lumped with. But as said, my pick would always have been Wallace who smartly ruled himself out of the race, because he wants no part of it, and is doing an excellent job in post. We do not want a war with China as well. Wallace is a wally, like the rest of the military Tories. He would be like Duncan-Smith. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 19:08:40 GMT
Well I am no Tory supporter as those who know me from elsewhere will know, but Sunak has far more economic nous than Boris, let alone Truss. Whilst Boris backed Truss, Sunak criticised her fairy tale economics and said where it would lead and has been proven right, apparently the one who knew what he was talking about. And I believe Sunak does have more integrity than Boris too, the latter being in a league of his own when it comes to lying and corruption. Sunak stood as his chancellor for some time before he finally decided that enough was enough, along with half the rest of the parliamentary Tory party. He is constantly being attacked in Tory circles for stabbing Boris in the back, yet you criticise him for staying silent for so long. I guess you cannot please everyone. The point im making is i cant see how the tories can inflict yet another prime minister on us without a general election. Technically they can , but they will pay a heavy price if its sunak. For many reasons mentioned and more.
sorry dont understand this ? Where have i criticised sunak for staying silent on what topic? You will have to elaborate.
The Tories will pay a heavy price whomever they choose. You criticised Sunak for stabbing Boris in the back after criticising him for being his right hand man for so long. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 19:15:20 GMT
The point im making is i cant see how the tories can inflict yet another prime minister on us without a general election. Technically they can , but they will pay a heavy price if its sunak. For many reasons mentioned and more.
sorry dont understand this ? Where have i criticised sunak for staying silent on what topic? You will have to elaborate.
The Tories will pay a heavy price whomever they choose. i agree. Thats part of my point , they should have went for a general election rather than this farce of constant pm changes. I think the public are indeed going to punish them badly.
i did , with the point being he has no integrity and is a typical tory , while others for some unkonw reason appear to try and paint him whiter than white. I can only assume hatred of boris outshines all else .
again you misunderstand my point. My criticism of him being boris right hand man is to show he is up to his neck in all the shit that has been thrown at johnson .Im unsure how sunak can walk away clean from past events when he was there all the way through , so is as much to blame as johnson.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 19:30:33 GMT
The Tories will pay a heavy price whomever they choose. i agree. Thats part of my point , they should have went for a general election rather than this farce of constant pm changes. I think the public are indeed going to punish them badly.
i did , with the point being he has no integrity and is a typical tory , while others for some unkonw reason appear to try and paint him whiter than white. I can only assume hatred of boris outshines all else .
again you misunderstand my point. My criticism of him being boris right hand man is to show he is up to his neck in all the shit that has been thrown at johnson .Im unsure how sunak can walk away clean from past events when he was there all the way through , so is as much to blame as johnson.
I have no illusions about Sunak being a typical Tory. I just view him as a slightly more economically competent one. We will all still suffer under him. But at least he has sometimes shown a willingness to help the poorest, which is the best we can ever really hope for from a Tory. I repeat that I am not a Sunak fan by any stretch of the imagination. I just see him as the least bad option, the best of a truly rotten bunch. Though to be fair I do not know much about Mordaunt, beyond the fact that she annoyed some of her own party by sounding a bit too socially liberal. The blue rinsers and colonel blimps won't like that. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 19:34:01 GMT
Regarding the referendum, the Lib Dems opposed holding the EU referendum themselves, eh? Swinson and ed davey and many liberals walked out the commons calling milliband a coward for not supporting an eu referendum and fighting the eu corner.
Jo Swinson said the Liberal Democrats supported an EU referendum in 2008
As the video in the Facebook post shows, Ms Swinson also said in 2008 that “the Liberal Democrats would like to have a referendum on the major issue of whether we are in or out of Europe.” This quote is also recorded in Hansard, the record of all parliamentary proceedings.
At the time, the Liberal Democrats supported a referendum on whether Britain should stay in the EU. The position was stated by other colleagues including then-party leader Nick Clegg, and was also included in the party’s 2010 election manifesto.
When Clegg supported an EU referendum
The Lib Dem leader was in favour of an in/out referendum before he was against one.
As you are well aware the Lib Dems said one thing to get votes and then did the opposite as soon as they were in coalition. They fucked over the students too when they voted for a rise in tuition fees. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 19:35:59 GMT
i have to say im not sure where you get the word competent for when describing sunak.?
Well I am no Tory supporter as those who know me from elsewhere will know, but Sunak has far more economic nous than Boris, let alone Truss. Whilst Boris backed Truss, Sunak criticised her fairy tale economics and said where it would lead and has been proven right, apparently the one who knew what he was talking about. And I believe Sunak does have more integrity than Boris too, the latter being in a league of his own when it comes to lying and corruption. Sunak stood as his chancellor for some time before he finally decided that enough was enough, along with half the rest of the parliamentary Tory party. He is constantly being attacked in Tory circles for stabbing Boris in the back, yet you criticise him for staying silent for so long. I guess you cannot please everyone. Look, I'm not a member of any party, I consider them all to be awful. But, Sunak comes across as being the most professional of all the Conservative candidates and the only one of them who can, with less than 2 years to go, save them from complete and total defeat.
I know he was part of the government during the Covid crisis, but he came across as competent whilst Boris bumbled.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 23, 2022 19:41:46 GMT
Well I am no Tory supporter as those who know me from elsewhere will know, but Sunak has far more economic nous than Boris, let alone Truss. Whilst Boris backed Truss, Sunak criticised her fairy tale economics and said where it would lead and has been proven right, apparently the one who knew what he was talking about. And I believe Sunak does have more integrity than Boris too, the latter being in a league of his own when it comes to lying and corruption. Sunak stood as his chancellor for some time before he finally decided that enough was enough, along with half the rest of the parliamentary Tory party. He is constantly being attacked in Tory circles for stabbing Boris in the back, yet you criticise him for staying silent for so long. I guess you cannot please everyone. Look, I'm not a member of any party, I consider them all to be awful. But, Sunak comes across as being the most professional of all the Conservative candidates and the only one of them who can, with less than 2 years to go, save them from complete and total defeat.
I know he was part of the government during the Covid crisis, but he came across as competent whilst Boris bumbled.
I agree. They are all shit but Sunak is a bit of a financial whizz-kid and that is what we need for our biggest problem right now. Even the remainers are not the threat they once were as we will never rejoin the EU, but it would not hurt to be friendly towards them. We can do business with Macron. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 19:41:51 GMT
i agree. Thats part of my point , they should have went for a general election rather than this farce of constant pm changes. I think the public are indeed going to punish them badly.
i did , with the point being he has no integrity and is a typical tory , while others for some unkonw reason appear to try and paint him whiter than white. I can only assume hatred of boris outshines all else .
again you misunderstand my point. My criticism of him being boris right hand man is to show he is up to his neck in all the shit that has been thrown at johnson .Im unsure how sunak can walk away clean from past events when he was there all the way through , so is as much to blame as johnson.
I have no illusions about Sunak being a typical Tory. I just view him as a slightly more economically competent one. We will all still suffer under him. But at least he has sometimes shown a willingness to help the poorest, which is the best we can ever really hope for from a Tory. eh ? Sory steve but where are you getting this from ?
Apart from warning dizzie lizzie about her mini budget , and he wasnt alone , i fail to see any evidence of him being slightly more competent economically . As for helping the poor , is this the same rishi as is being talked about in article like this...
Rishi Sunak admits taking money from deprived areas
Rishi Sunak reaffirms plan to divert cash from poor to rich areas
RISHI Sunak has doubled down on plans to take funding away from deprived urban areas and direct it towards wealthy towns and rural districts.
Last month, in a video obtained by The New Statesman, the Conservative leadership hopeful said during a speech to Tory members in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, that "we inherited formulas from the Labour Party, that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas".
He went on to say: "That needed to be undone: I started the work of undoing that.”
The average house price in Tunbridge Wells sits at almost double the national average at £528,459 and Tory figures were divided over the remarks made by Sunak.
But he doesn't appear to be shying away from controversy, given that during an ITV interview on Tuesday he reiterated his belief that too much money has been shoved into poverty-stricken urban areas, arguing that towns and rural places need help too.
here seems to be a lot of myth making about sunak from what im seeing . All i can say is its obviously deliberate for various reasons to keep johnson out.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 19:43:49 GMT
What poverty stricken areas need are factories.
Mass employment, not handouts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 19:51:14 GMT
I have no illusions about Sunak being a typical Tory. I just view him as a slightly more economically competent one. We will all still suffer under him. But at least he has sometimes shown a willingness to help the poorest, which is the best we can ever really hope for from a Tory. eh ? Sory steve but where are you getting this from ?
Apart from warning dizzie lizzie about her mini budget , and he wasnt alone , i fail to see any evidence of him being slightly more competent economically . As for helping the poor , is this the same rishi as is being talked about in article like this...
Rishi Sunak admits taking money from deprived areas
Rishi Sunak reaffirms plan to divert cash from poor to rich areas
RISHI Sunak has doubled down on plans to take funding away from deprived urban areas and direct it towards wealthy towns and rural districts.
Last month, in a video obtained by The New Statesman, the Conservative leadership hopeful said during a speech to Tory members in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, that "we inherited formulas from the Labour Party, that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas".
He went on to say: "That needed to be undone: I started the work of undoing that.”
The average house price in Tunbridge Wells sits at almost double the national average at £528,459 and Tory figures were divided over the remarks made by Sunak.
But he doesn't appear to be shying away from controversy, given that during an ITV interview on Tuesday he reiterated his belief that too much money has been shoved into poverty-stricken urban areas, arguing that towns and rural places need help too.
here seems to be a lot of myth making about sunak from what im seeing . All i can say is its obviously deliberate for various reasons to keep johnson out.
Note that I said he sometimes helped the poor, as with the temporary upgrade to UC during the pandemic. I am well aware that at other times he has done the exact opposite. He is a Tory after all. I just think he is a lesser evil than Boris. Mordaunt I am not sure about but she is a Tory too so no great hopes invested there either. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 19:55:11 GMT
eh ? Sory steve but where are you getting this from ?
Apart from warning dizzie lizzie about her mini budget , and he wasnt alone , i fail to see any evidence of him being slightly more competent economically . As for helping the poor , is this the same rishi as is being talked about in article like this...
Rishi Sunak admits taking money from deprived areas
Rishi Sunak reaffirms plan to divert cash from poor to rich areas
RISHI Sunak has doubled down on plans to take funding away from deprived urban areas and direct it towards wealthy towns and rural districts.
Last month, in a video obtained by The New Statesman, the Conservative leadership hopeful said during a speech to Tory members in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, that "we inherited formulas from the Labour Party, that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas".
He went on to say: "That needed to be undone: I started the work of undoing that.”
The average house price in Tunbridge Wells sits at almost double the national average at £528,459 and Tory figures were divided over the remarks made by Sunak.
But he doesn't appear to be shying away from controversy, given that during an ITV interview on Tuesday he reiterated his belief that too much money has been shoved into poverty-stricken urban areas, arguing that towns and rural places need help too.
here seems to be a lot of myth making about sunak from what im seeing . All i can say is its obviously deliberate for various reasons to keep johnson out.
Note that I said he sometimes helped the poor, as with the temporary upgrade to UC during the pandemic. I am well aware that at other times he has done the exact opposite. He is a Tory after all. I just think he is a lesser evil than Boris. Mordaunt I am not sure about but she is a Tory too so no great hopes invested there either. ok fair enough. I wouldnt worry about mordaunt as i think she is toast , with far better potential candidates who didnt stand in the tory party. Like liz truss , her ego and ambition is bigger than her pea sized political brain.
I predict , if sunak gets in , he will trash the tory party irreconcilably , and starmer , the worst labour leader in my lifetime , will fall into power with predictable consquences.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 20:00:32 GMT
Note that I said he sometimes helped the poor, as with the temporary upgrade to UC during the pandemic. I am well aware that at other times he has done the exact opposite. He is a Tory after all. I just think he is a lesser evil than Boris. Mordaunt I am not sure about but she is a Tory too so no great hopes invested there either. ok fair enough. I wouldnt worry about mordaunt as i think she is toast , with far better potential candidates who didnt stand in the tory party. Like liz truss , her ego and ambition is bigger than her pea sized political brain.
I predict , if sunak gets in , he will trash the tory party irreconcilably , and starmer , the worst labour leader in my lifetime , will fall into power with predictable consquences.
Whoever gets in - Boris will be at least as damaging in my view - Starmer looks set to be gifted a large majority next time in spite of being the least deserving Labour leader in my lifetime. This is not what I want to see. My hopes are resting upon a hung parliament, but the Tories seem to be doing their best to gift it to Starmer. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 20:05:57 GMT
ok fair enough. I wouldnt worry about mordaunt as i think she is toast , with far better potential candidates who didnt stand in the tory party. Like liz truss , her ego and ambition is bigger than her pea sized political brain.
I predict , if sunak gets in , he will trash the tory party irreconcilably , and starmer , the worst labour leader in my lifetime , will fall into power with predictable consquences.
Whoever gets in - Boris will be at least as damaging in my view - Starmer looks set to be gifted a large majority next time in spite of being the least deserving Labour leader in my lifetime. This is not what I want to see. My hopes are resting upon a hung parliament, but the Tories seem to be doing their best to gift it to Starmer. totally agree .Starmer will take it as cart blanche to do as he pleases , nothing will change ( apparently he is commited to austerity and more cuts to name but a few) and the decline will continue and anger rise.
its a shock and disgrace that a man who has sat on his hands for a number of years saying little and doing less could possibly fall into power offering nothing more than im not a tory.
...and folk wonder why the uk is in such a mess with talentless bench warmers like starmer sunak and truss vying for power at various times?
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