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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 11:00:50 GMT
I think you're forgetting something. We're not having a General Election right now. im not forgetting anything.
Im asking you why sunak is a better option than johnson ?
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 11:05:49 GMT
Because of the Chris Pincher scandal that resulted in Boris Johnson's downfall.
Boris Johnson knew about the allegations surrounding Pincher and gave him the job of deputy chief whip anyway.
Sunak resigned when that came to light.
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Post by sheepy on Oct 23, 2022 11:15:22 GMT
Because of the Chris Pincher scandal that resulted in Boris Johnson's downfall. Boris Johnson knew about the allegations surrounding Pincher and gave him the job of deputy chief whip anyway. Sunak resigned when that came to light. Let's ignore the fact he also stabbed both of them in the back and is willing to stab the whole Tory membership in the back, he sounds like a fine fellow, just what Starmer needs. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 11:19:40 GMT
Because of the Chris Pincher scandal that resulted in Boris Johnson's downfall. Boris Johnson knew about the allegations surrounding Pincher and gave him the job of deputy chief whip anyway. Sunak resigned when that came to light. sunak knew everything that was going on , stood by johnson as his right hand man for years , and then resigned when it was politically expediant to do so for his own personal gain.
The idea he is less tarred than johnson is laughable.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 11:20:51 GMT
Because of the Chris Pincher scandal that resulted in Boris Johnson's downfall. Boris Johnson knew about the allegations surrounding Pincher and gave him the job of deputy chief whip anyway. Sunak resigned when that came to light. Let's ignore the fact he also stabbed both of them in the back and is willing to stab the whole Tory membership in the back, he sounds like a fine fellow, just what Starmer needs. exactly. Johnson wins elections , starmer loses them , and needs a helping hand from clowns like sunak to sneak into power.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 11:43:55 GMT
Johnson won in 2019 because Labour shot itself in the foot by following the stop Brexit agenda of Keir Starmer and David Lammy.
They should instead have had a how we leave debate rather than an if we leave debate.
Theresa May would have been in power until this year, a general election would have taken place and our country might have been more favourable to Labour.
Boris was a one trick pony as PM.
Without something as big as Brexit on the cards he's only really got "vote for us we're not Labour". That strategy sank John Major. It's not a wise move.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:22:29 GMT
Johnson won in 2019 because Labour shot itself in the foot by following the stop Brexit agenda of Keir Starmer and David Lammy. No he didnt. By every analysis possible , he won in 2019 promising to get brexit done after three years of the anti democrats in westmisnter and outside of it trying to overturn a democratic vote.
Labour had been paralyised over brexit since before the 2015 general election , when even the liberals mocked the then labour leader ed milliband over his refusal to back an eu referendum , mocking labour as cowards.
The keir starmer disasterous brexit policy and stitch up of corbyn was really just the final straw for labour and issues that had plagued them , and continue to plague them today.
Labour cannot come to grips with the consitutional issues in either scotland or england. This though is all besides the point. We are talking about sunaks suitability to become pm , and im still not hearing any sound reason from you if at all why he is any better than johnson.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:24:27 GMT
Boris was a one trick pony as PM. He may very wel have been , but at least he had that one tirck pony , ....brexit......what does sunak have? Tarred with johnsons brush , covid wastefullness , disaster as chancellor and a ready made gift for the lamentable keir starmer to take power at the next election ?
Johnson would i believe at least make a fight of it with starmer. Sunak couldnt run a bath never mind win an election.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 12:26:54 GMT
Sunak has fiscal Conservatism.
Regarding the referendum, the Lib Dems opposed holding the EU referendum themselves, check the voting record of Nick Clegg etc.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:34:46 GMT
Regarding the referendum, the Lib Dems opposed holding the EU referendum themselves, eh? Swinson and ed davey and many liberals walked out the commons calling milliband a coward for not supporting an eu referendum and fighting the eu corner.
Jo Swinson said the Liberal Democrats supported an EU referendum in 2008
As the video in the Facebook post shows, Ms Swinson also said in 2008 that “the Liberal Democrats would like to have a referendum on the major issue of whether we are in or out of Europe.” This quote is also recorded in Hansard, the record of all parliamentary proceedings.
At the time, the Liberal Democrats supported a referendum on whether Britain should stay in the EU. The position was stated by other colleagues including then-party leader Nick Clegg, and was also included in the party’s 2010 election manifesto.
When Clegg supported an EU referendum
The Lib Dem leader was in favour of an in/out referendum before he was against one.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:38:02 GMT
Sunak has fiscal Conservatism. Regarding the referendum, the Lib Dems opposed holding the EU referendum themselves, check the voting record of Nick Clegg etc.
Ed Davey, the party's foreign affairs spokesman, was banned for the rest of the day from attending the Commons chamber and from voting after he refused to accept the Speaker's ruling.
Fellow Liberal Democrat MPs walked out of the chamber in solidarity
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Post by bancroft on Oct 23, 2022 12:38:41 GMT
Im not a tory , cant stand either of the three candidates for leadership , but i have to say im not sure where you get the word competent for when describing sunak.?
Mordaunt seems another clown like liz truss , but why are you silent on johnson while clapping sunak?
Johnson is a clown , and has had a woefull premiership , but im not sure how sunak can be excused while johnson villified?
Everything that happened under boris johnson leadership as pm , sunak stood by his side as his right hand man and is up to his neck in every lamentable deed johnson was mired in.
Grudgingly , what i will say is johnson is a campaginer and vote winner. If the tories do indeed elect sunak , they are toast in my opinion. A backstabbing incompetent so out of touch with the electorate its unreal.
Brexiters dont like him , neither do the public according to polls , and he seems to be yet another darling of the careerst centrists that inhabit the right of labour and the left of the tory parties. If sunak wins, i can see the tories being floored for a generation through infighting and ineptitude.
I agree with you on Johnson, economically he is sound and think that will be enough and I recall from the budget deliveries he can talk up what he is delivering. Granted not as charismatic as Johnson though Johnson might not last until the next election. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:39:58 GMT
Sunak has fiscal Conservatism. fiscal conservatism? sunak was widely mocked for his splashing the cash contrary to the ethos of fiscal conservatism , with many quipping he was a socialist chancellor.
FFS vinny where have you been these past number of years? In outer space?
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:42:16 GMT
Im not a tory , cant stand either of the three candidates for leadership , but i have to say im not sure where you get the word competent for when describing sunak.?
Mordaunt seems another clown like liz truss , but why are you silent on johnson while clapping sunak?
Johnson is a clown , and has had a woefull premiership , but im not sure how sunak can be excused while johnson villified?
Everything that happened under boris johnson leadership as pm , sunak stood by his side as his right hand man and is up to his neck in every lamentable deed johnson was mired in.
Grudgingly , what i will say is johnson is a campaginer and vote winner. If the tories do indeed elect sunak , they are toast in my opinion. A backstabbing incompetent so out of touch with the electorate its unreal.
Brexiters dont like him , neither do the public according to polls , and he seems to be yet another darling of the careerst centrists that inhabit the right of labour and the left of the tory parties. If sunak wins, i can see the tories being floored for a generation through infighting and ineptitude.
I agree with you on Johnson, economically he is sound and think that will be enough and I recall from the budget deliveries he can talk up what he is delivering. Granted not as charismatic as Johnson though Johnson might not last until the next election. i havent heard many if any saying sunak was economically sound over the past few years except where he pointed out to dizzie lizzie trus about her mad hatter budget.
Now forgive me , but that didnt take any sort of economic credibility when every economist on the planet was telling her the same .
The tories are toast , mark my words , if they dont coronate johnson.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 14:38:37 GMT
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