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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 18:50:29 GMT
I look at everyone's manifestos and vote accordingly. Want my vote, offer something good enough to get it rather than pithy whining about Brexit. i doubt brexit is going anyhwere soon vinny . Same as scot and irish indy. Feature of modern politics now in the 21st century wether you like it or not.
Its constitutional issues as well as economic ones now guiding our politics across these islands.
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 18:51:35 GMT
I look at everyone's manifestos and vote accordingly. Want my vote, offer something good enough to get it rather than pithy whining about Brexit. LOL considering, they are always lies it must be a hard choice. we seem to be talking to westmisnter party supporters sheepwash. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 26, 2022 18:51:40 GMT
I look at everyone's manifestos and vote accordingly. Want my vote, offer something good enough to get it rather than pithy whining about Brexit. Indeed Vinny. Vote for the goodies not the past. How do you pick the goodies out of a bunch of self-serving liars, who only tell you what you want to hear so you vote for them on the day? Because they know once that is over there is no comeback. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 18:54:13 GMT
Indeed Vinny. Vote for the goodies not the past. How do you pick the goodies out of a bunch of self-serving liars, who only tell you what you want to hear so you vote for them on the day? Because they know once that is over there is no comeback. isnt starmer one of the worst sheepwash? I mean how many promises that he got elected on did srb stsve say he broke after being coronated labour leader?
We expect a bit of ducking and diving by politicians , but starmer is on another level with his lies and attempts to deny democracy.
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 18:56:12 GMT
Indeed Vinny. Vote for the goodies not the past. Sorry but isnt that a contradiction in terms of what you are saying boycey?
You arent voting for new labour as you dont like them and their policies you tell me except one.....gb energy.
instead , you want labour to return to some rose tinted past of left wing socialism?
confused .com here boycey?
somehow , starmer could offer unbridled Thatcherite conservatism in his manifesto and i seriously doubt you would even read it and still vote labour........
If I vote Labour it isn't for Starmer Thomas. As for their policies, the ones they have announced, I support them all. Windfall tax, closing non dom status, closing loopholes, tax rises of the rich, penny off income tax for middle earners and of course GB energy. As for my vote, it is indeed for GB energy primarily as I believe being energy sufficient is long over due, which is the goody I was referring to Vinny about. But like him, I guess I will wait to see their actual manifesto before knowing what their actual policies will be. If they turn into some form of Thatcherite nightmare of cuts in services and tax cuts for the rich then don't worry, Labour won't get my vote. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 26, 2022 18:56:47 GMT
LOL considering, they are always lies it must be a hard choice. we seem to be talking to westmisnter party supporters sheepwash. I guess so, but then it must make some logical sense for them, I just cannot see it yet, when it is so blatantly obvious, they are going to be had yet again. They must like it, like a visit to miss whiplash, I guess. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 19:02:49 GMT
Indeed Vinny. Vote for the goodies not the past. How do you pick the goodies out of a bunch of self-serving liars, who only tell you what you want to hear so you vote for them on the day? Because they know once that is over there is no comeback. Starmers head will be on a pike if he doesn't follow through on GB energy Sheepy. The applause for that policy at their party conference was the loudest I have known and it came from everyone to the Unions all the way to the Blairites. It is his ace in the deck. If he doesn't play it, the Corbynites will oust him out. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 26, 2022 19:07:45 GMT
How do you pick the goodies out of a bunch of self-serving liars, who only tell you what you want to hear so you vote for them on the day? Because they know once that is over there is no comeback. Starmers head will be on a pike if he doesn't follow through on GB energy Sheepy. The applause for that policy at their party conference was the loudest I have known and it came from everyone to the Unions all the way to the Blairites. It is his ace in the deck. If he doesn't play it, the Corbynites will oust him out. I would have a bet by then there will be another crisis and any policy he says now goes right out of the window, because it happens every single time. I remember well momentum being full of it, which in the end they had admit we populists were right from the start. Their attack dogs were laughable as well, when we knew, they were determined to learn the hard way. You will learn the same way. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 19:14:36 GMT
Starmers head will be on a pike if he doesn't follow through on GB energy Sheepy. The applause for that policy at their party conference was the loudest I have known and it came from everyone to the Unions all the way to the Blairites. It is his ace in the deck. If he doesn't play it, the Corbynites will oust him out. I would have a bet by then there will be another crisis and any policy he says now goes right out of the window, because it happens every single time. I remember well momentum being full of it, which in the end they had admit we populists were right from the start. Their attack dogs were laughable as well, when we knew, they were determined to learn the hard way. You will learn the same way. Just don't think the UK can play around with being energy sufficient Sheepy. That isnt a Labour Tory thing but just a reality. Starmer has set out his plan and it will work. If he doesn't follow through with it, regardless of what crisis comes next, he is toast. Labour party members support it and will demand it. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 26, 2022 19:21:28 GMT
I would have a bet by then there will be another crisis and any policy he says now goes right out of the window, because it happens every single time. I remember well momentum being full of it, which in the end they had admit we populists were right from the start. Their attack dogs were laughable as well, when we knew, they were determined to learn the hard way. You will learn the same way. Just don't think the UK can play around with being energy sufficient Sheepy. That isnt a Labour Tory thing but just a reality. Starmer has set out his plan and it will work. If he doesn't follow through with it, regardless of what crisis comes next, he is toast. Labour party members support it and will demand it. So was Boris for not carrying out what he said but just cloaked it instead, I doubt he will be bothered he knows how it works the same as I do, he will shuffle along just like Blair. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 6:15:03 GMT
Sorry but isnt that a contradiction in terms of what you are saying boycey?
You arent voting for new labour as you dont like them and their policies you tell me except one.....gb energy.
instead , you want labour to return to some rose tinted past of left wing socialism?
confused .com here boycey?
somehow , starmer could offer unbridled Thatcherite conservatism in his manifesto and i seriously doubt you would even read it and still vote labour........
If I vote Labour it isn't for Starmer Thomas. As for their policies, the ones they have announced, I support them all. Windfall tax, closing non dom status, closing loopholes, tax rises of the rich, penny off income tax for middle earners and of course GB energy. As for my vote, it is indeed for GB energy primarily as I believe being energy sufficient is long over due, which is the goody I was referring to Vinny about. But like him, I guess I will wait to see their actual manifesto before knowing what their actual policies will be. If they turn into some form of Thatcherite nightmare of cuts in services and tax cuts for the rich then don't worry, Labour won't get my vote. Im not questioning "who " you vote for boycey , im questioning your motives and reasoning from what you are telling me.
Whatever your politics , you need to get smart , we all do in terms of who we vote for and why. Remember , the westmisnter party rely on the mushroom syndrome of kept in the dark and fed on bullshit.
Like i said , we will have to agree to disagree regarding labour. I will be voting against them as i always do to keep them out.
Told you before , it takes years to build trust , seconds to break it and once gone its gone for good. Such are labours problems with not just me , but the electorates of both scotland and england.
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 6:18:02 GMT
we seem to be talking to westmisnter party supporters sheepwash. I guess so, but then it must make some logical sense for them, I just cannot see it yet, when it is so blatantly obvious, they are going to be had yet again. They must like it, like a visit to miss whiplash, I guess. Exactly. Doing the same thing over and over wont bring about much needed change. It merely entrenches the status quo that practically everyone tells me they arent happy with.
So it is a strange one listening to boyceys reasoning and excuses on why he supports the small c tories in new labour. Starmers announcements , the odd occassion when he does make them dont seem to last the week never mind ever making it to policy.
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 14:11:04 GMT
Slight rishi bounce coming through in poll......
In some of the first polling conducted since Rishi took over as Prime Minister, the Conservatives have been able to close their polling deficit. New polling from YouGov and The Times saw Labour’s lead shrunk by 9 points.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 20:03:17 GMT
I was at uni before the crash as it happens so not much. I just know that the FSA didn't set the regulation but was making sure banking practices were above board with the little regulation they had. The problem for them, and the reason for its demise, was the regulation simply didn't exist to stop the banking crisis. That is down to Thatcher. So what were Gordon Brown and Tony Blair doing in the decade before the crash?. Following thatcherite economic policies, including thatcherite deregulation, that's what. Which is the very problem in the first place. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 27, 2022 21:55:10 GMT
So what were Gordon Brown and Tony Blair doing in the decade before the crash?. that's what. Which is the very problem in the first place. Why? - if that is all the Labour Party are going to do what is the point of them? |
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