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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 12:16:00 GMT
i didnt say brown was the catalyst , i said the americans were the catalyst that triggered the flaws in the uk system that thatcher major blair and brown had built. Sorry if i misjudge your words, but you seem intent on flagging up "others" to blame while trying at best to ignore labours culpability in the 2008 financial crash , at worst wriggling on a hook when confronted with evidence.
Moving on from these oft repeated and oft debunked labour party myths of blaming eveyone else but crash gordon and tory blair , if labour ever want to regain power , thenthey would be wise to distance themselves from these toxic individuals.
Keir starmer is clearly determined to emulate them.
you are mixing two things up here.
The right to buy system was ended in the summer of 2016 in scotland. I belive its still running in england? Labour in scotland bitterly and loudly opposed it and still do as far as im aware.
Secondly , you arent aware of the complete difference between the scottish legal system and house buying system compared to england yet have bought a house in scotland?
no matter how many times you defend them boycey , everyone knows new labour bankrupted the uk and fought an illegal war.
They didnt invent the sub prime mortgage market , its true , but they were among the biggest cheerleaders of it in order to sustain a housing bubble for a few more years with imaginary blairite money.
Labour as we see at every level of governance in every country of the yookay cannot be trusted with public money. westher its croydon glasgow or liverpool , devolved government at holyrood or cardiff , of westmisnter , their record of tax and wastefully spend is indefensible.
That is something else I blame Thatcher for and despite my parents buying their own home from Right to Buy, they were also against the system knowing too well what the end result was for their children (ie me). That is something else I blame Thatcher for and despite my parents buying their own home from Right to Buy, they were also against the system knowing too well what the end result was for their children (ie me). as far as i can see , and i know its hard to pin starmer down to a policy that will last more than a week and is a serious policy rather than empty soundbite , labour are still committed to right to buy but only want to do right to buy "better" whatever that means.
yet here and now , years after her death , decades after her end of power , you blame "thatcher" ?
Starmer appears to be one of Thatchers children , or should we say grandchildren.
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 12:30:14 GMT
I am aware there are different systems Thomas between Scotland and England but I am not aware of the differences in minor detail except in tax. That is your area of expertise not mine. All I will say is if right to buy in Scotland is over, then the SNP have done the right thing. Social housing is terrible in England when I compare to my adulthood to that of my parents. That is something else I blame Thatcher for and despite my parents buying their own home from Right to Buy, they were also against the system knowing too well what the end result was for their children (ie me). again you blame the Devil incarnate Thatcher , but ignore the 13 years of new labour championing the right to buy scheme . Is starmer still commited to it?
I blame Tories for right to buy because again that was Thatchers baby. I am not aware if Starmer is committed to it but the way social housing has been it wouldn't matter if he was. Getting on the social housing ladder is basically impossible because nothing is being built. It will be interesting reading what their policies on the subject are. Although the interest for me on that is simply for the next generation not mine. I am already a home owner despite understanding that housing is still a crisis that effects others and a crisis that needs sorting out sharpish in any case. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 12:42:26 GMT
again you blame the Devil incarnate Thatcher , but ignore the 13 years of new labour championing the right to buy scheme . Is starmer still commited to it?
I blame Tories for right to buy because again that was Thatchers baby. It was. Im pretty sure ideas about it were around long before , but the point remains why arent you also blaming labour for their 13 years in power in the uk where they could have reveresed it ? Not only that , they bitterly opposed those parties who did want to reverse it.
of course you are not , nobody is , which is why starmer cannot be trusted .
both the snp and the tories in england built more social homes to rent than new labours 13 years in power. Labour cannot be trusted on housing......fact.
Tom Copley, Labour's housing spokesman in the capital, said that Margaret Thatcher's government had built more council flats and houses in a single year than New Labour's managed in its entire period in office.
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 14:55:31 GMT
I blame Tories for right to buy because again that was Thatchers baby. It was. Im pretty sure ideas about it were around long before , but the point remains why arent you also blaming labour for their 13 years in power in the uk where they could have reveresed it ? Not only that , they bitterly opposed those parties who did want to reverse it.
of course you are not , nobody is , which is why starmer cannot be trusted .
both the snp and the tories in england built more social homes to rent than new labours 13 years in power. Labour cannot be trusted on housing......fact.
Tom Copley, Labour's housing spokesman in the capital, said that Margaret Thatcher's government had built more council flats and houses in a single year than New Labour's managed in its entire period in office.
You are right that Labour should have reversed it. Today's problem is simply because nobody has addressed the issue since Thatcher sold the housing stock for a quick buck. Although as I said before Blair and Brown were Tories with red rosettes and I doubt Starmer will sort the issue out either. I guess it maybe down to Long Bailey when Starmer is thrown out for being crap. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 16:18:18 GMT
It was. Im pretty sure ideas about it were around long before , but the point remains why arent you also blaming labour for their 13 years in power in the uk where they could have reveresed it ? Not only that , they bitterly opposed those parties who did want to reverse it.
of course you are not , nobody is , which is why starmer cannot be trusted .
both the snp and the tories in england built more social homes to rent than new labours 13 years in power. Labour cannot be trusted on housing......fact.
Tom Copley, Labour's housing spokesman in the capital, said that Margaret Thatcher's government had built more council flats and houses in a single year than New Labour's managed in its entire period in office.
You are right that Labour should have reversed it. Today's problem is simply because nobody has addressed the issue since Thatcher sold the housing stock for a quick buck. Although as I said before Blair and Brown were Tories with red rosettes and I doubt Starmer will sort the issue out either. I guess it maybe down to Long Bailey when Starmer is thrown out for being crap. sure but you cant ignore the fact if you are a left winger , voting labour is the same as voting tory with brexit excluded.
Back to today , christ didnt sunak eviscerate starmer?
Honestly boycey that man starmer is an absolute fraud. No one is convicned of him , and as i say he has a tendancy to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. What a complete wet blanket.
The pendulum swings again.
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 16:34:05 GMT
You are right that Labour should have reversed it. Today's problem is simply because nobody has addressed the issue since Thatcher sold the housing stock for a quick buck. Although as I said before Blair and Brown were Tories with red rosettes and I doubt Starmer will sort the issue out either. I guess it maybe down to Long Bailey when Starmer is thrown out for being crap. sure but you cant ignore the fact if you are a left winger , voting labour is the same as voting tory with brexit excluded.
Back to today , christ didnt sunak eviscerate starmer?
Honestly boycey that man starmer is an absolute fraud. No one is convicned of him , and as i say he has a tendancy to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. What a complete wet blanket.
The pendulum swings again.
If I vote it will be for Labour Thomas. It won't be a vote for Starmer but GB energy and to support the Old Labour MPs. It isn't just the Tories that have different factions in their party. As for today, Starmer did an own goal for me by making out that Sunak is a first. I don't care that Sunak is Indian and neither should anyone else by making out it is historic. He was simply the best of a bad bunch and for that we should be grateful. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 16:40:09 GMT
sure but you cant ignore the fact if you are a left winger , voting labour is the same as voting tory with brexit excluded.
Back to today , christ didnt sunak eviscerate starmer?
Honestly boycey that man starmer is an absolute fraud. No one is convicned of him , and as i say he has a tendancy to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. What a complete wet blanket.
The pendulum swings again.
If I vote it will be for Labour Thomas. It won't be a vote for Starmer but GB energy and to support the Old Labour MPs. It isn't just the Tories that have different factions in their party. As for today, Starmer did an own goal for me by making out that Sunak is a first. I don't care that Sunak is Indian and neither should anyone else by making out it is historic. He was simply the best of a bad bunch and for that we should be grateful. 70 % of the scottish public hate labour and will be voting against them , and so will i boycey as discussed. We will do our best to keep them out , and every election , i intend to put the boot into labour , wether in an indy scotland or uk status quo.
Starmer was fucking shocking today , and judgeing by the reaction ,the public and chattering classes thought so too. Might take a few weeks but im sure the rishi bounce will have the tories back in play.
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 16:41:48 GMT
sure but you cant ignore the fact if you are a left winger , voting labour is the same as voting tory with brexit excluded.
Back to today , christ didnt sunak eviscerate starmer?
Honestly boycey that man starmer is an absolute fraud. No one is convicned of him , and as i say he has a tendancy to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. What a complete wet blanket.
The pendulum swings again.
If I vote it will be for Labour Thomas. Darkness descends upon dejected Labour as new YouGov data shows 13% of their Scottish voters from the 2019 general election have defected to the SNP scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2022/10/darkness-descends-upon-dejected-labour.html |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 16:45:48 GMT
If I vote it will be for Labour Thomas. It won't be a vote for Starmer but GB energy and to support the Old Labour MPs. It isn't just the Tories that have different factions in their party. As for today, Starmer did an own goal for me by making out that Sunak is a first. I don't care that Sunak is Indian and neither should anyone else by making out it is historic. He was simply the best of a bad bunch and for that we should be grateful. 70 % of the scottish public hate labour and will be voting against them , and so will i boycey as discussed. We will do our best to keep them out , and every election , i intend to put the boot into labour , wether in an indy scotland or uk status quo.
Starmer was fucking shocking today , and judgeing by the reaction ,the public and chattering classes thought so too. Might take a few weeks but im sure the rishi bounce will have the tories back in play.
Vote for whoever Thomas. To be honest where I live it won't matter unless there is a complete turnaround. That is why I am again FPTP. As long as the Tories are out, that is the important thing. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 16:50:54 GMT
Bit of a weird headline when you read the article Thomas. 13% have also gone from the SNP to Labour meaning it counters that! And 30% of Tories have gone to Labour too. Mark my words, Tory seats will be going red in Scotland. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 16:51:34 GMT
70 % of the scottish public hate labour and will be voting against them , and so will i boycey as discussed. We will do our best to keep them out , and every election , i intend to put the boot into labour , wether in an indy scotland or uk status quo.
Starmer was fucking shocking today , and judgeing by the reaction ,the public and chattering classes thought so too. Might take a few weeks but im sure the rishi bounce will have the tories back in play.
Vote for whoever Thomas. To be honest where I live it won't matter unless there is a complete turnaround. That is why I am again FPTP. As long as the Tories are out, that is the important thing. The only time we use FPTP in scotland is when we are forced to vote for your countries parliament. As long as labour are out you mean is the important thing , and for westmisnter seats , last poll i saw it was the snp not labour who were on the verge of taking all the tories seats in scotland.
FFS its tory voters in morningside in Edinburgh who put labours ian murray in by tactical voting.
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 16:56:05 GMT
Bit of a weird headline when you read the article Thomas. 13% have also gone from the SNP to Labour meaning it counters that! And 30% of Tories have gone to Labour too. Mark my words, Tory seats will be going red in Scotland. No wee jamesy covers that in other articles , and look on ballot box scotland were they predict the snp taking the tory seats.
You have to remember labour are third somtimes fourth in many scottish seats , ,and in the tory ones , despite tory vote splintering intra unionist between red and blue , its the snp who will capitalise as they are a whisker behind the tories in those seats , not labour.
You are dreaming mate , and yet to come to terms with scottish politics , never mind the fact sunak seems to have revitalised the tories in england. Labour will be in trouble over the coming weeks from what i see.
Starmer it totally unconvincing , and many left winger in england hate him.
Im wondering if it will be a hung parliament in westmisnter? Elephants in the room for the red tories , brexit and scot indy. Mark my words.
Labour scum out!
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 16:57:38 GMT
Vote for whoever Thomas. To be honest where I live it won't matter unless there is a complete turnaround. That is why I am again FPTP. As long as the Tories are out, that is the important thing. The only time we use FPTP in scotland is when we are forced to vote for your countries parliament. As long as labour are out you mean is the important thing , and for westmisnter seats , last poll i saw it was the snp not labour who were on the verge of taking all the tories seats in scotland.
FFS its tory voters in morningside in Edinburgh who put labours ian murray in by tactical voting.
Don't plan on voting in the Scottish elections but the general election which is FPTP. And SNP according to your article has 3% of tory voters. When you look at the map of Scotland the only place that isn't yellow for Westminster seats is the borders and Highlands so the SNP will do well to gain those areas and as such I doubt they are gaining any seats in the GENERAL ELECTION from the data I have read. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 17:05:17 GMT
The only time we use FPTP in scotland is when we are forced to vote for your countries parliament. As long as labour are out you mean is the important thing , and for westmisnter seats , last poll i saw it was the snp not labour who were on the verge of taking all the tories seats in scotland.
FFS its tory voters in morningside in Edinburgh who put labours ian murray in by tactical voting.
Don't plan on voting in the Scottish elections but the general election which is FPTP. And SNP according to your article has 3% of tory voters. When you look at the map of Scotland the only place that isn't yellow for Westminster seats is the borders and Highlands so the SNP will do well to gain those areas and as such I doubt they are gaining any seats in the GENERAL ELECTION from the data I have read. You arent making any sense at all. Lets stick with the simple stuff like voting fptp for your countires parliament in scotland.
The snp has taken most of labours vote in scotland over the years. Wee jamesy says recently a further swing of 19 % of labour have went to snp , some went the other way. A tiny margin of 3 % of tory has went snp , but the fact remains labour are so far behind under fptp in many seats it s the snp not labour who are in a whisker of taking those tory seats.
I think they will take some , not all , but i dont think labour will take any because
1. they are too far behind and not many of the snp voters are backing them.
2. sunak is revitalisng the tories ,starmer isnt liked , and unionists will transfer back to voting tory to attempt to keep scotland in union
Labour need a big transfer of scottish voters from the snp to make headway in many seats , not tory. Thats not happeneing in enough numebrs as nationalsit wont vote unionist.
Scottish voting intentions for the next UK general election:
SNP 42% (-3)
Labour 30% (-)
Conservatives 16% (+1)
Liberal Democrats 6% (+1)
Alba 2% (n/a)
Greens 2% (n/a)
labour are despised by 70 % of the scottish vote. They wont get 30 % of scotlands vote in a general election as many unioists will go back to tory because of sunak.
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 17:09:30 GMT
Especially after watching sunak wipe the floor with starmer today , i think the pendulum is swinging back against labour after their brief spell of benefitting from tory implosion.
I keep saying starmer cant win a general election sitting on his hands , no policy no announcement waiting on every one else doing the work for him. The man and his party are clowns.
The days of starmer and new labour mopping up the left wing vote cause they have no where else to go are long gone , but labour are too dumb to see it.
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