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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 17:12:50 GMT
Don't plan on voting in the Scottish elections but the general election which is FPTP. And SNP according to your article has 3% of tory voters. When you look at the map of Scotland the only place that isn't yellow for Westminster seats is the borders and Highlands so the SNP will do well to gain those areas and as such I doubt they are gaining any seats in the GENERAL ELECTION from the data I have read. You arent making any sense at all. Lets stick with the simple stuff like voting fptp for your countires parliament in scotland.
The snp has taken most of labours vote in scotland over the years. Wee jamesy says recently a further swing of 19 % of labour have went to snp , some went the other way. A tiny margin of 3 % of tory has went snp , but the fact remains labour are so far behind under fptp in many seats it s the snp not labour who are in a whisker of taking those tory seats.
I think they will take some , not all , but i dont think labour will take any because
1. they are too far behind and not many of the snp voters are backing them.
2. sunak is revitalisng the tories ,starmer isnt liked , and unionists will transfer back to voting tory to attempt to keep scotland in union
Labour need a big transfer of scottish voters from the snp to make headway in many seats , not tory. Thats not happeneing in enough numebrs as nationalsit wont vote unionist.
Scottish voting intentions for the next UK general election:
SNP 42% (-3)
Labour 30% (-)
Conservatives 16% (+1)
Liberal Democrats 6% (+1)
Alba 2% (n/a)
Greens 2% (n/a)
labour are despised by 70 % of the scottish vote. They wont get 30 % of scotlands vote in a general election as many unioists will go back to tory because of sunak.
If Tories are on 16% and Labour is on 30%, my money is Tory seats going red Thomas. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 17:38:52 GMT
You arent making any sense at all. Lets stick with the simple stuff like voting fptp for your countires parliament in scotland.
The snp has taken most of labours vote in scotland over the years. Wee jamesy says recently a further swing of 19 % of labour have went to snp , some went the other way. A tiny margin of 3 % of tory has went snp , but the fact remains labour are so far behind under fptp in many seats it s the snp not labour who are in a whisker of taking those tory seats.
I think they will take some , not all , but i dont think labour will take any because
1. they are too far behind and not many of the snp voters are backing them.
2. sunak is revitalisng the tories ,starmer isnt liked , and unionists will transfer back to voting tory to attempt to keep scotland in union
Labour need a big transfer of scottish voters from the snp to make headway in many seats , not tory. Thats not happeneing in enough numebrs as nationalsit wont vote unionist.
Scottish voting intentions for the next UK general election:
SNP 42% (-3)
Labour 30% (-)
Conservatives 16% (+1)
Liberal Democrats 6% (+1)
Alba 2% (n/a)
Greens 2% (n/a)
labour are despised by 70 % of the scottish vote. They wont get 30 % of scotlands vote in a general election as many unioists will go back to tory because of sunak.
If Tories are on 16% and Labour is on 30%, my money is Tory seats going red Thomas. your money can be on anythig you want but it doesnt make it true.
I do stuggle with your posts in terms of what point you are making at times boycey. You have moved to scotland , and it appears you are ignoring the political landscape of scotland , and applying a 1970`s english politics mentality to scotland , ie voting labour to keep out tory.
I mean you arent even looking at policy never mind political landscape of the country you are in , you are simply voting red rather than blue.
Srb steve and i used to have some rare debates , but at least he put up a coherent arguemtn for his left wing views , supported corbyn denounced starmer and new labour and voted tactically in his souther english seat to keep the tories out which involved no labour voting.
You on the other hand arent even registered , appear to be ignoring the situation in your constituency , and not even mentioning the best way to keep the tories out .
The snp , not lab or tory , are by far the biggest political party in scotland boycey. Under fptp , and any other system you choose.
8 years ago , labour held 41 scottish seats on over 42 % of the vote , the best i have seen them at in recent polls thats with the truss bounce and tory implosion down south was 30 % and potentially 7 seats. They wont get that as explained as the tories are coming back and will take many of those unionists in scotland back. So your vote potentially depending on where you live will possibly give the tories your seat instead of the snp.
So if you are saying you ar anti tory , then your ridiculous pro labour voting doesnt make any sense either in terms of voting red tory policy , or tactical voting to keep a tory out.
Bringing english politics into scotland wont work boycey.
...but you do as you please......
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 17:46:28 GMT
If Tories are on 16% and Labour is on 30%, my money is Tory seats going red Thomas. your money can be on anythig you want but it doesnt make it true.
I do stuggle with your posts in terms of what point you are making at times boycey. You have moved to scotland , and it appears you are ignoring the political landscape of scotland , and applying a 1970`s english politics mentality to scotland , ie voting labour to keep out tory.
I mean you arent even looking at policy never mind political landscape of the country you are in , you are simply voting red rather than blue.
Srb steve and i used to have some rare debates , but at least he put up a coherent arguemtn for his left wing views , supported corbyn denounced starmer and new labour and voted tactically in his souther english seat to keep the tories out which involved no labour voting.
You on the other hand arent even registered , appear to be ignoring the situation in your constituency , and not even mentioning the best way to keep the tories out .
The snp , not lab or tory , are by far the biggest political party in scotland boycey. Under fptp , and any other system you choose.
8 years ago , labour held 41 scottish seats on over 42 % of the vote , the best i have seen them at in recent polls thats with the truss bounce and tory implosion down south was 30 % and potentially 7 seats. They wont get that as explained as the tories are coming back and will take many of those unionists in scotland back. So your vote potentially depending on where you live will possibly give the tories your seat instead of the snp.
So if you are saying you ar anti tory , then your ridiculous pro labour voting doesnt make any sense either in terms of voting red tory policy , or tactical voting to keep a tory out.
Bringing english politics into scotland wont work boycey.
...but you do as you please......
Where I live it is the Tories not Labour that is hated Thomas snd that was the case even before Truss got her grubby paws in Westminster. Although I haven't voted in Scotland given I have never registered as I moved up here just before lockdown. I am not pushing any politics up here and even if I did, I doubt anyone is listening. I have told you my vote won't matter because the swing needed is massive. Don't worry. If Labour wins any Scottish seats it won't be due to me. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 17:54:59 GMT
your money can be on anythig you want but it doesnt make it true.
I do stuggle with your posts in terms of what point you are making at times boycey. You have moved to scotland , and it appears you are ignoring the political landscape of scotland , and applying a 1970`s english politics mentality to scotland , ie voting labour to keep out tory.
I mean you arent even looking at policy never mind political landscape of the country you are in , you are simply voting red rather than blue.
Srb steve and i used to have some rare debates , but at least he put up a coherent arguemtn for his left wing views , supported corbyn denounced starmer and new labour and voted tactically in his souther english seat to keep the tories out which involved no labour voting.
You on the other hand arent even registered , appear to be ignoring the situation in your constituency , and not even mentioning the best way to keep the tories out .
The snp , not lab or tory , are by far the biggest political party in scotland boycey. Under fptp , and any other system you choose.
8 years ago , labour held 41 scottish seats on over 42 % of the vote , the best i have seen them at in recent polls thats with the truss bounce and tory implosion down south was 30 % and potentially 7 seats. They wont get that as explained as the tories are coming back and will take many of those unionists in scotland back. So your vote potentially depending on where you live will possibly give the tories your seat instead of the snp.
So if you are saying you ar anti tory , then your ridiculous pro labour voting doesnt make any sense either in terms of voting red tory policy , or tactical voting to keep a tory out.
Bringing english politics into scotland wont work boycey.
...but you do as you please......
Where I live it is the Tories not Labour that is hated Thomas That isnt answering my point though is it ? the tories hated in scotland? oh my what a revelation.!!
The point is you are saying you are going to vote for a party you claim you dont like ,because you dont like another party more , without considering the other oprions on the table in your new homeland.
Its like moving to england and saying you are going to vote lib dem or green without considering who the two biggest parties are , and who is challenging who in your new constituency.
Like i said , im not getting your arguments on politics. If you like new labour , and support starmer say so instead of all this anti tory clap trap.
Your either voting a party because you support them , or not in which case you are tactically voting to keep a tory out. If the latter , then that means considering anyone who isnt a tory and the best placed party to beat them in your constituency.
Its not diffuclt boycey , and this isnt the 1970`s but the twenty first century scotland.
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 18:00:37 GMT
your money can be on anythig you want but it doesnt make it true.
I do stuggle with your posts in terms of what point you are making at times boycey. You have moved to scotland , and it appears you are ignoring the political landscape of scotland , and applying a 1970`s english politics mentality to scotland , ie voting labour to keep out tory.
I mean you arent even looking at policy never mind political landscape of the country you are in , you are simply voting red rather than blue.
Srb steve and i used to have some rare debates , but at least he put up a coherent arguemtn for his left wing views , supported corbyn denounced starmer and new labour and voted tactically in his souther english seat to keep the tories out which involved no labour voting.
You on the other hand arent even registered , appear to be ignoring the situation in your constituency , and not even mentioning the best way to keep the tories out .
The snp , not lab or tory , are by far the biggest political party in scotland boycey. Under fptp , and any other system you choose.
8 years ago , labour held 41 scottish seats on over 42 % of the vote , the best i have seen them at in recent polls thats with the truss bounce and tory implosion down south was 30 % and potentially 7 seats. They wont get that as explained as the tories are coming back and will take many of those unionists in scotland back. So your vote potentially depending on where you live will possibly give the tories your seat instead of the snp.
So if you are saying you ar anti tory , then your ridiculous pro labour voting doesnt make any sense either in terms of voting red tory policy , or tactical voting to keep a tory out.
Bringing english politics into scotland wont work boycey.
...but you do as you please......
I have told you my vote won't matter because the swing needed is massive. which was my earlier point where the snp have the main vote across scotland , and in the scottish marginals , which you say you dont live in , its the snp not labour who are challenging the tories.......... |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 18:01:39 GMT
Where I live it is the Tories not Labour that is hated Thomas That isnt answering my point though is it ? the tories hated in scotland? oh my what a revelation.!!
The point is you are saying you are going to vote for a party you claim you dont like ,because you dont like another party more , without considering the other oprions on the table in your new homeland.
Its like moving to england and saying you are going to vote lib dem or green without considering who the two biggest parties are , and who is challenging who in your new constituency.
Like i said , im not getting your arguments on politics. If you like new labour , and support starmer say so instead of all this anti tory clap trap.
Your either voting a party because you support them , or not in which case you are tactically voting to keep a tory out. If the latter , then that means considering anyone who isnt a tory and the best placed party to beat them in your constituency.
Its not diffuclt boycey , and this isnt the 1970`s but the twenty first century scotland.
I don't hate Labour Thomas. I grew up in a Labour household and my father was a trade unionist. I am not a fan of new Labour but unfortunately the only way you can get Old Labour in now is by working with the Blairites today and then getting them out tomorrow when attitudes of Socialism change. Also I said previously I might not even vote. But if I do it is for GB energy and to show support for the Corbynites in Labour. It certainly isn't a vote for Starmer. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 18:08:16 GMT
That isnt answering my point though is it ? the tories hated in scotland? oh my what a revelation.!!
The point is you are saying you are going to vote for a party you claim you dont like ,because you dont like another party more , without considering the other oprions on the table in your new homeland.
Its like moving to england and saying you are going to vote lib dem or green without considering who the two biggest parties are , and who is challenging who in your new constituency.
Like i said , im not getting your arguments on politics. If you like new labour , and support starmer say so instead of all this anti tory clap trap.
Your either voting a party because you support them , or not in which case you are tactically voting to keep a tory out. If the latter , then that means considering anyone who isnt a tory and the best placed party to beat them in your constituency.
Its not diffuclt boycey , and this isnt the 1970`s but the twenty first century scotland.
I don't hate Labour Thomas. I grew up in a Labour household and my father was a trade unionist. I am not a fan of new Labour but unfortunately the only way you can get Old Labour in now is by working with the Blairites today and then getting them out tomorrow when attitudes of Socialism change. i didnt say you did and you are swerving away from my points. I said you are telling us you are going to vote a party you dont like , to keep another party out despite however irrelevant that party is in your seat.
There isnt a fucking proper socialist in labour , and boris johnson was more of a socialist than keir starmer will ever be. Keir starmer has done more damage to socialism over the past few years then most tory government s i can think of.
Which goes back to my point you are voting for anti socialists to keep other anti socialists out ? No wonder english politics is in such a fucking mess today with that attitude boycey.
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 18:11:57 GMT
That isnt answering my point though is it ? the tories hated in scotland? oh my what a revelation.!!
The point is you are saying you are going to vote for a party you claim you dont like ,because you dont like another party more , without considering the other oprions on the table in your new homeland.
Its like moving to england and saying you are going to vote lib dem or green without considering who the two biggest parties are , and who is challenging who in your new constituency.
Like i said , im not getting your arguments on politics. If you like new labour , and support starmer say so instead of all this anti tory clap trap.
Your either voting a party because you support them , or not in which case you are tactically voting to keep a tory out. If the latter , then that means considering anyone who isnt a tory and the best placed party to beat them in your constituency.
Its not diffuclt boycey , and this isnt the 1970`s but the twenty first century scotland.
. But if I do it is for GB energy and to show support for the Corbynites in Labour. It certainly isn't a vote for Starmer. 1. I already discussed gb energy and my opposition to london red tories using the scottish cash cow to extract £28 billion from us for english votes.
2. What corbynites in labour? You are scratching the bottom of the barrell now. Its like patman post saying he is voting johnson for the remainers in the conservatives FFS lmfao.
like i said boycey , you are stuck in the politics of another age , and ultimately if there are many like you in new labour , this is why you are going to fail and fail badly. You cannot get to grips with modern politics unlike the tories and snp and others.
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 18:17:02 GMT
That isnt answering my point though is it ? the tories hated in scotland? oh my what a revelation.!!
The point is you are saying you are going to vote for a party you claim you dont like ,because you dont like another party more , without considering the other oprions on the table in your new homeland.
Its like moving to england and saying you are going to vote lib dem or green without considering who the two biggest parties are , and who is challenging who in your new constituency.
Like i said , im not getting your arguments on politics. If you like new labour , and support starmer say so instead of all this anti tory clap trap.
Your either voting a party because you support them , or not in which case you are tactically voting to keep a tory out. If the latter , then that means considering anyone who isnt a tory and the best placed party to beat them in your constituency.
Its not diffuclt boycey , and this isnt the 1970`s but the twenty first century scotland.
I am not a fan of new Labour but unfortunately the only way you can get Old Labour in now is by working with the Blairites today That was tried under corbyn and failed miserably. Not because of the tories or gutter press, but becasue of the blairites in new labour. Starmer and others attacked corbyn relentlessly and undermined him from within. we have had 5 years out of the last nearly 34 years with what could be classed as old labour in charge .It isnt happening boycey.
The argument better to be pissing outside the tent from within rather than outside in has been laughed at for years.
You are in cloud cuckoo land , even steve srb and thousands of other labour voters recognise this by leaving the party because of the blairites.
Talk about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a dfiffernt result?
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 18:22:39 GMT
I don't hate Labour Thomas. I grew up in a Labour household and my father was a trade unionist. I am not a fan of new Labour but unfortunately the only way you can get Old Labour in now is by working with the Blairites today and then getting them out tomorrow when attitudes of Socialism change. i didnt say you did and you are swerving away from my points. I said you are telling us you are going to vote a party you dont like , to keep another party out despite however irrelevant that party is in your seat.
There isnt a fucking proper socialist in labour , and boris johnson was more of a socialist than keir starmer will ever be. Keir starmer has done more damage to socialism over the past few years then most tory government s i can think of.
Which goes back to my point you are voting for anti socialists to keep other anti socialists out ? No wonder english politics is in such a fucking mess today with that attitude boycey.
Depends what you mean by Socialist. There are plenty of Social Democrats in Labour. Corbyn filled his cabinet with them. There aren't any Stalinists, that Johnsons domain. Also Levelling up isn’t Socialism. Re nationalisation, fair tax, investment in the public sector, state ownership of power, water, transport, telecom housing is Socialism. You know, all the good stuff from Corbyns 2019 manifesto. As I said if I vote Labour it is for GB energy and to show support the Corbynites in Labour. It isn't really a vote against the Tories although if it helps to get them out, then that is just a bonus. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 18:27:07 GMT
i didnt say you did and you are swerving away from my points. I said you are telling us you are going to vote a party you dont like , to keep another party out despite however irrelevant that party is in your seat.
There isnt a fucking proper socialist in labour , and boris johnson was more of a socialist than keir starmer will ever be. Keir starmer has done more damage to socialism over the past few years then most tory government s i can think of.
Which goes back to my point you are voting for anti socialists to keep other anti socialists out ? No wonder english politics is in such a fucking mess today with that attitude boycey.
Depends what you mean by Socialist. There are plenty of Social Democrats in Labour. Corbyn filled his cabinet with them. There aren't any Stalinists, that Johnsons domain. Also Levelling up is Socialism. Re nationalisation, fair tax, investment in the public sector, state ownership of power, water, transport, telecom housing is Socialism. You know, all the good stuff from Corbyns 2019 manifesto. As I said if I vote Labour it is for GB energy and to show support the Corbynites in Labour. It isn't really a vote against the Tories although if it helps to get them out, then that is just a bonus. you are arguing semantics boycey , and living in cloud cukcoo land from what im reading in your posts.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 26, 2022 18:33:02 GMT
I look at everyone's manifestos and vote accordingly. Want my vote, offer something good enough to get it rather than pithy whining about Brexit. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 26, 2022 18:37:07 GMT
I look at everyone's manifestos and vote accordingly. Want my vote, offer something good enough to get it rather than pithy whining about Brexit. Indeed Vinny. Vote for the goodies not the past. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 18:43:09 GMT
I look at everyone's manifestos and vote accordingly. Want my vote, offer something good enough to get it rather than pithy whining about Brexit. Indeed Vinny. Vote for the goodies not the past. Sorry but isnt that a contradiction in terms of what you are saying boycey?
You arent voting for new labour as you dont like them and their policies you tell me except one.....gb energy.
instead , you want labour to return to some rose tinted past of left wing socialism?
confused .com here boycey?
somehow , starmer could offer unbridled Thatcherite conservatism in his manifesto and i seriously doubt you would even read it and still vote labour........
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Post by sheepy on Oct 26, 2022 18:48:25 GMT
I look at everyone's manifestos and vote accordingly. Want my vote, offer something good enough to get it rather than pithy whining about Brexit. LOL considering, they are always lies it must be a hard choice. |
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