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Post by oracle75 on Apr 26, 2023 11:04:57 GMT
Quote: Based on responses from businesses, they estimate that business investment was 23% lower than it would have been in 2020/21 due to Brexit.Mar 13, 2023 www.economicsobservatory.com › |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 26, 2023 11:07:51 GMT
Nor according to your summary at the botttom of your own graph which is not credited to any source. I prefer to believe the professional ecconomists who tell you who they are and are good enough to present findinngs to peers. It all contributes to the openly accepted fact that the UK still has the slowest growth in comparable countries, including the G7. Er - the graph showing that inward investment into the UK has overtaken outward investment since 2016 comes from your link. You did look at your own link? The bottom line disproves your hopes. And supports other links I have posted. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 26, 2023 11:17:40 GMT
Nor according to your summary at the botttom of your own graph which is not credited to any source. I prefer to believe the professional ecconomists who tell you who they are and are good enough to present findinngs to peers. It all contributes to the openly accepted fact that the UK still has the slowest growth in comparable countries, including the G7. Er - the graph showing that inward investment into the UK has overtaken outward investment since 2016 comes from your link. You did look at your own link? Well said. |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 26, 2023 12:30:08 GMT
All the countries in the EU are in it for self interest, low interest rate to support manufacturing for German exports, CAP to support French farmers. Other regions supported by tourism from richer countries.
Smaller nations happy to get funds to build roads and other investments they otherwise could not afford like Ireland and Spain.
Britain when in the EU wanted to invest in Energy companies in the EU yet were blocked even though we opened up our own companies.
It is all self interest and for the majority here it was time to move on and now it will be interesting to see how the EU evolves during this time of high interest rates and inflation as they continue to push open borders and cutting nitrogen emissions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2023 12:48:42 GMT
Of course, it all goes back to self-interest.
Thatcher did not endorse, fight for the EU and formulate and create the Single Market out of camaraderie and unity with Europe. It was never altruism. Her motive, first, foremost and exclusively, was get the then moribund UK business sector to exploit the massive, almost limitless, European market.
And we did not choose to stay in the EU to foster unity and friendship with the French or the Hungarians either. It's all economics.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 26, 2023 12:51:59 GMT
All the countries in the EU are in it for self interest, low interest rate to support manufacturing for German exports, CAP to support French farmers. Other regions supported by tourism from richer countries. Smaller nations happy to get funds to build roads and other investments they otherwise could not afford like Ireland and Spain. Britain when in the EU wanted to invest in Energy companies in the EU yet were blocked even though we opened up our own companies. It is all self interest and for the majority here it was time to move on and now it will be interesting to see how the EU evolves during this time of high interest rates and inflation as they continue to push open borders and cutting nitrogen emissions. Quite right, and it doesn't work. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 26, 2023 13:57:33 GMT
Er - the graph showing that inward investment into the UK has overtaken outward investment since 2016 comes from your link. You did look at your own link? The bottom line disproves your hopes. And supports other links I have posted. So you are saying that your link disproves your link.. Er...OK..  Perhaps you think that your link is lying when it says that growth in Inward FDI outpaced Outward FDI? Both the inward and the outward foreign direct investment (FDI) positions (stocks) increased in 2021 compared with 2020; the value of the UK's inward position increased by £83.1 billion to £2,002.4 billion, while the outward position increased by £16.0 billion to £1,769.3 billion.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 26, 2023 20:53:10 GMT
Er - the graph showing that inward investment into the UK has overtaken outward investment since 2016 comes from your link. You did look at your own link? The bottom line disproves your hopes. And supports other links I have posted. Yep, defo Kim. Doesn't even understand her own links. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 27, 2023 6:29:19 GMT
I cannot have a conversation with those who ignore my questions and instead start making up personal remarks.
Whoever Kim was, s/he sounds pretty clued up. And part of hundreds of millions of people who agree Brexit was a crap decision.
It seems pointless talking to some of a smaller and smaller group of leaver losers who run and hide when their positions are proven wrong.
This whole exercise is laughable.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 27, 2023 8:53:34 GMT
I cannot have a conversation with those who ignore my questions and instead start making up personal remarks. Whoever Kim was, s/he sounds pretty clued up. And part of hundreds of millions of people who agree Brexit was a crap decision. It seems pointless talking to some of a smaller and smaller group of leaver losers who run and hide when their positions are proven wrong. This whole exercise is laughable. You don't even know what you own links say Kim. You don't understand them either Kim. That's why we know you're Kim. You've outed yourself. Classic Kim. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 9:39:34 GMT
I cannot have a conversation with those who ignore my questions and instead start making up personal remarks. Whoever Kim was, s/he sounds pretty clued up. And part of hundreds of millions of people who agree Brexit was a crap decision. It seems pointless talking to some of a smaller and smaller group of leaver losers who run and hide when their positions are proven wrong. This whole exercise is laughable. You don't even know what you own links say Kim. You don't understand them either Kim. That's why we know you're Kim. You've outed yourself. Classic Kim. And where's Lois Lane when you need her?  |
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Post by Cartertonian on Apr 27, 2023 10:08:07 GMT
JABBT (Just another bloody brexit thread)
I haven't the patience to read through four pages of vitriol and spittle.
When I voted remain, I was no EUphile and that position hasn't moved. There was then and there is now a host of things about the EU that needed to be changed, but the view upon which I cast my vote was that it would be better to continue trying to fix things from within than to walk away.
So here we are seven years down the line and it feels like being someone who got divorced and moved out of the four-bed family home, who is now sitting in a one-room bedsit, desperately trying to convince themselves they're better off.
The devoted Brexiteers will happily wear their hair shirts for as long as it takes (or more often, happily watch other people being forced to wear the hair shirts), all in the name of 'sovereignty'.
In our previous incarnation, as the Brexit vote approached, I appealed many times to the pro-Leave membership to tell the rest of us what their vision of a post-Brexit Britain would be like and got nothing (other than, 'we'll have our sovereignty back!'). There was talk of 'sunlit uplands' but all we appear to have is 'unlit uplands'. How long are we supposed to grizz through with our plan to doggedly stick with Brexit, before we see a chink of sunlight on the aforementioned higher ground?
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 27, 2023 10:44:41 GMT
JABBT (Just another bloody brexit thread) I haven't the patience to read through four pages of vitriol and spittle. When I voted remain, I was no EUphile and that position hasn't moved. There was then and there is now a host of things about the EU that needed to be changed, but the view upon which I cast my vote was that it would be better to continue trying to fix things from within than to walk away. So here we are seven years down the line and it feels like being someone who got divorced and moved out of the four-bed family home, who is now sitting in a one-room bedsit, desperately trying to convince themselves they're better off. The devoted Brexiteers will happily wear their hair shirts for as long as it takes (or more often, happily watch other people being forced to wear the hair shirts), all in the name of 'sovereignty'. In our previous incarnation, as the Brexit vote approached, I appealed many times to the pro-Leave membership to tell the rest of us what their vision of a post-Brexit Britain would be like and got nothing (other than, 'we'll have our sovereignty back!'). There was talk of 'sunlit uplands' but all we appear to have is 'unlit uplands'. How long are we supposed to grizz through with our plan to doggedly stick with Brexit, before we see a chink of sunlight on the aforementioned higher ground? Brussels keeps losing its global GDP share - a declinist model of protectionism, low growth, high tax, cheap labour and only an expert in 'regulation' was well circumnavigated by this hat wearing Brexiteer on your behalf. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 27, 2023 13:35:24 GMT
What is so disappointing is that you can post three quotes and links against leavers arguments and instead of discussing them and responding to direct questions they veer off into personal guesswork.
Which means they have no answer.
If you ask them to show reasons for being cheerful about being outside the EU they have nothing to offer. Even JRMogg, arch Brexiteer and bullshitter,couldnt find anything.
So they spend time creating excuses for what is wrong
This isnt a discussion. Nor do i consider it worth investing time in it.
Clearly they are of a hive mind looking for some positive reinforcement of bad choices. And when they are confronted by facts they veer off course and make up personal targets.
Happily i have permanent leave to remain in the EU. Being in the UK with such limited and obvious people would be painful. Such a shame the sensible honest country i knew has been polluted by those who still believe in make believe.
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 27, 2023 13:38:42 GMT
I cannot have a conversation with those who ignore my questions and instead start making up personal remarks. Whoever Kim was, s/he sounds pretty clued up. And part of hundreds of millions of people who agree Brexit was a crap decision. It seems pointless talking to some of a smaller and smaller group of leaver losers who run and hide when their positions are proven wrong. This whole exercise is laughable. You don't even know what you own links say Kim. You don't understand them either Kim. That's why we know you're Kim. You've outed yourself. Classic Kim. Iasked you to explain the block charts at the bottom of the graph which disproves your argument. You didnt. Nor did you reply to the other links i posted that supported the argument. That is how i know you are dishonest. Through and through. It was once calculated that the lower end of the IQ range supported Brexit. You are living proof. |
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