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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 14:23:09 GMT
It was once calculated that the lower end of the IQ range supported Brexit. You are living proof. Seems that a very rude person "calculated" that, oracle75. Wasn't you, by any chance?
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Post by patman post on Apr 27, 2023 19:14:39 GMT
The advantages of Brexit were cited as regained sovereignty, control of borders, cutting immigration, lower food costs, wider trade with the rest of the world, etc, etc, etc.
Which of these (or any others) have actually happened and brought the UK any benefits…?
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Post by Vinny on Apr 27, 2023 19:35:45 GMT
Regained sovereignty happened, control of immigration happened, food costs have been adversely impacted by war, so who knows what would have happened there if the war hadn't happened? Wider trade with the rest of the world has happened.
And we're democratically better off too.
More people go out and vote. More people believe they can hold politicians accountable at the ballot box.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 27, 2023 20:56:15 GMT
You don't even know what you own links say Kim. You don't understand them either Kim. That's why we know you're Kim. You've outed yourself. Classic Kim. Iasked you to explain the block charts at the bottom of the graph which disproves your argument. You didnt. Nor did you reply to the other links i posted that supported the argument. That is how i know you are dishonest. Through and through. It was once calculated that the lower end of the IQ range supported Brexit. You are living proof. I've already explained what your link says, including your confused understanding of what 'net' means. Go back and read the posts Kim.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 27, 2023 21:30:32 GMT
The advantages of Brexit were cited as regained sovereignty, control of borders, cutting immigration, lower food costs, wider trade with the rest of the world, etc, etc, etc. Which of these (or any others) have actually happened and brought the UK any benefits…? We regained sovereignty, the UK Government now has the ability to control borders and immigration, our food inflation has been lower than the EU and we have more trade deals than the EU. What were you expecting?
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Post by patman post on Apr 28, 2023 7:03:16 GMT
The advantages of Brexit were cited as regained sovereignty, control of borders, cutting immigration, lower food costs, wider trade with the rest of the world, etc, etc, etc. Which of these (or any others) have actually happened and brought the UK any benefits…? We regained sovereignty, the UK Government now has the ability to control borders and immigration, our food inflation has been lower than the EU and we have more trade deals than the EU. What were you expecting? I was expecting more or less what’s happening now — ie, a sluggish economy, rising cost of living, increasing poverty, widespread industrial unrest, under staffed NHS, rising costs of living, rising immigration, migration of skilled staff, commodity shortages and rising prices, etc. It doesn’t appear to me that the scrabbling around for trade deals has achieved anything more than a raft of itty bitty signings and some MOUs, all resulting in greater costs and less trading income than when the U.K. was in the EU. Some posters blame the pandemic and Ukraine war for the UK’s comparatively poor showing among the G7, as though the UK alone faced these…
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 28, 2023 7:20:47 GMT
We regained sovereignty, the UK Government now has the ability to control borders and immigration, our food inflation has been lower than the EU and we have more trade deals than the EU. What were you expecting? I was expecting more or less what’s happening now — ie, a sluggish economy, rising cost of living, increasing poverty, widespread industrial unrest, under staffed NHS, rising costs of living, rising immigration, migration of skilled staff, commodity shortages and rising prices, etc. It doesn’t appear to me that the scrabbling around for trade deals has achieved anything more than a raft of itty bitty signings and some MOUs, all resulting in greater costs and less trading income than when the U.K. was in the EU. Some posters blame the pandemic and Ukraine war for the UK’s comparatively poor showing among the G7, as though the UK alone faced these…
For the past 2 years the UK has been the fastest growing economy in the G7. For the rest of it - seems we are no different to most other countries in Europe who are suffering exactly the same issues. Have you heard about the strikes in France - or the massive food inflation in Germany - or the rising immigration in Italy etc etc etc
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 28, 2023 8:41:53 GMT
Iasked you to explain the block charts at the bottom of the graph which disproves your argument. You didnt. Nor did you reply to the other links i posted that supported the argument. That is how i know you are dishonest. Through and through. It was once calculated that the lower end of the IQ range supported Brexit. You are living proof. I've already explained what your link says, including your confused understanding of what 'net' means. Go back and read the posts Kim. You have misinterpreted the link, wont ansswer my question and refused to reply to my other links. It is dishonest and deliberately so. But it doesnt change reality. I have to admire your eternal optimism even if it makes the decline of the UK feel better. And even if it ignores all the warning signs which you do by omission, deliberate misreading and diversion. But facts dont know you exist. And i can do without your dishonesty. Now lets get something straight. I am NOT this person called Kim. I have no idea who they are, were or might be. One person in this forum suggests a similarity and suddenly it becomes an insult. I have no idea what "other forum" you are talking about, even though this one is a completely different place. To be honest half a dozen in here sound identical to me. They use the same phrases, arguments and tactics. They echo each other. There may well be thousands of people who hold my opinion and the number are growing. Now get out of my personal face.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 28, 2023 9:02:41 GMT
Bless.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 9:35:45 GMT
The UK will post the fastest growing economy in G7 if the comparison is between YE 2022 with YE 2021. But YE 2021 was heavily impacted by the pandemic and its results were skewed by the same. Therefore, a comparison with that year will not yield safe or reliable results. The comparison should be between YE 2022 (a non pandemic year) and YE 2019 (also a non pandemic year) or a comparative year before the pandemic.
And apparently a comparison between YE 2022 and YE 2019 paints a different picture. Also, as at the end 2022 the British economy still hadn't reached its pre-pandemic level -- making it the worse performing G7 economy.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 28, 2023 11:01:58 GMT
I've already explained what your link says, including your confused understanding of what 'net' means. Go back and read the posts Kim. You have misinterpreted the link, wont ansswer my question and refused to reply to my other links. It is dishonest and deliberately so. But it doesnt change reality. I have to admire your eternal optimism even if it makes the decline of the UK feel better. And even if it ignores all the warning signs which you do by omission, deliberate misreading and diversion. But facts dont know you exist. And i can do without your dishonesty. Now lets get something straight. I am NOT this person called Kim. I have no idea who they are, were or might be. One person in this forum suggests a similarity and suddenly it becomes an insult. I have no idea what "other forum" you are talking about, even though this one is a completely different place. To be honest half a dozen in here sound identical to me. They use the same phrases, arguments and tactics. They echo each other. There may well be thousands of people who hold my opinion and the number are growing. Now get out of my personal face. I randomly clicked on one of your links Kim (so did Pacifico) after you believed a negative 'net' meant some kind of loss. You couldn't respond to my comment and avoided doing so in typical fashion because you realised you had made a mistake. Own it and move on rather than dishonestly lie about your mistaken assertions surrounding FDI. If not Kim, you are wasting our time.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 28, 2023 11:05:55 GMT
The UK will post the fastest growing economy in G7 if the comparison is between YE 2022 with YE 2021. But YE 2021 was heavily impacted by the pandemic and its results were skewed by the same. Therefore, a comparison with that year will not yield safe or reliable results. The comparison should be between YE 2022 (a non pandemic year) and YE 2019 (also a non pandemic year) or a comparative year before the pandemic. And apparently a comparison between YE 2022 and YE 2019 paints a different picture. Also, as at the end 2022 the British economy still hadn't reached its pre-pandemic level -- making it the worse performing G7 economy. That's like saying a pre-financial crisis Yr in 2007 should be compared to one in 2009. And it's no fool would even contemplate that. In fact, the UK hasn't recovered since the 2008 GFC - while it was a member of the EU - but don't let that fact get in the way of your lies.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 28, 2023 11:10:17 GMT
Edit double post.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 11:56:13 GMT
The UK will post the fastest growing economy in G7 if the comparison is between YE 2022 with YE 2021. But YE 2021 was heavily impacted by the pandemic and its results were skewed by the same. Therefore, a comparison with that year will not yield safe or reliable results. The comparison should be between YE 2022 (a non pandemic year) and YE 2019 (also a non pandemic year) or a comparative year before the pandemic. And apparently a comparison between YE 2022 and YE 2019 paints a different picture. Also, as at the end 2022 the British economy still hadn't reached its pre-pandemic level -- making it the worse performing G7 economy. That's like saying a pre-financial crisis Yr in 2007 should be compared to one in 2009. And it's no fool would even contemplate that. In fact, the UK hasn't recovered since the 2008 GFC - while it was a member of the EU - but don't let that fact get in the way of your lies. YE 2022 is not comparable with YE 2021. The results will always be skewed and unreliable unless and until you extricate the actual, direct effects of the pandemic on the economy. Can you realistically do that? No. Therefore? - The correct, wise, realistic, and sensible comparison to make is between YE 2022 and the most recent pre-pandemic year, which is YE 2019. Or if pushed, a qualified comparison with YE 2018, etc. The principle is simple -- you compare like with like. That's that way it is. Suck it up. But since you -- judging by your posts -- are neither wise nor sensible nor realistic therefore, your arguments never stand up to scrutiny and so you always end up flat on your face, crying. That's because you would rather find a shaky argument that somehow defends and vindicates your beloved Brexit than seek one that is factual and truthful.
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 28, 2023 19:58:03 GMT
Not only that but he believes someone who lies when he says he doesnt read my posts. Not surprised. Confirmation bias is contagious and of a hive mind. And will rely on any lie that pleases. Now either reply to ALL the links that counter your imaginary mind or fuck off. But dont dive into a rabbit hole posted by a liar who clearly had issues with someone whose ghost he cant suppress and is clearly frightened of. The post-Brexit investment levels are over 30 per cent lower than the pre-referendum trend. Trade is not the only casualty of Brexit. The decision to leave the EU has fuelled significant uncertainty since the 2016 referendum, undermining business investment in the UK economy.Feb 3, 2023 www.institute.global › policy Three Years On, Brexit Casts a Long Shadow Over the UK Economy
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