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Post by Vinny on Apr 25, 2023 19:38:44 GMT
All the world's economies are interconnected, but if you are in a Commission run political union which controls your agricultural policy, your fisheries policy, your trade policy, your immigration policy.
Then it's one size fits none and the voter is abstracted from the policy making process.
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 25, 2023 20:50:16 GMT
There is one commissioner per member who have no vote in any EU legislative process.
I am fed up with Brexiteers who dont understand the EU.
27 democratic liberal democracies accept the process.
And none of them think the UK made sense.
Best of luck. But I am telling you...patriotism and old alliances dont count when tens of millions of pounds of investments are at stake.
The Uk is now in the same third country category as China, or any other non 27 member status. Each of them have different trading agreememts.
The UK needs to present and prove itself as a stable focussed environment which promises good returns on investment.
And all it promises are promises and threats to discard international rules of law often designed by the UK, because it wants to become a rogue state.
And who wants to invest in THAT?
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 25, 2023 21:44:48 GMT
That's only your opinion. Doesn't make it true. No it is not an opinion. It is the way the world works. That is might be a wider perspective than your constant squabbling and adolwscent name calling and silly insults does not make it an opinion. It is happening. The foreign direct investment into the UK dropped nearly 90% just after June 2016. Except for the very few important FDI's since, there has been a lot of international investment into other EU countries, some discussed here. More often you see UK companies either selling out to or moving to other places. This has to stop if there is any hope of growth in the economy but the longer this Brexit government plays silly buggers and cant find a direction, the more time other countries have to attract investment. And there is a lot of it going on in this very important change of energy and transport production. So while you stand on your 6 year old hill of sand pointing fingers the ROW is getting on with making sure it doesnt get washed out to sea. Oracle, you don't know what you're talking about. You hear a few buzzwords and phrases and think they make you sound clever. FDI increased in 2021 after the chaos of Covid and the uncertainty around Brexit. What you've heard about and now repeating on here about FDI is a little out of date. It just proves to show tricky economic situations are transient and are not the end unto themselves. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 25, 2023 23:16:50 GMT
Like I said months ago, she's Kim.
All the same old tired failed arguments as before, all the hysterical tantrums as before.
Poor bruised ego.
Bless.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 26, 2023 0:38:17 GMT
Like I said months ago, she's Kim. All the same old tired failed arguments as before, all the hysterical tantrums as before. Poor bruised ego. Bless. I agree. The style, the MO, it's identical. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 26, 2023 6:39:36 GMT
No it is not an opinion. It is the way the world works. That is might be a wider perspective than your constant squabbling and adolwscent name calling and silly insults does not make it an opinion. It is happening. The foreign direct investment into the UK dropped nearly 90% just after June 2016. Except for the very few important FDI's since, there has been a lot of international investment into other EU countries, some discussed here. More often you see UK companies either selling out to or moving to other places. This has to stop if there is any hope of growth in the economy but the longer this Brexit government plays silly buggers and cant find a direction, the more time other countries have to attract investment. And there is a lot of it going on in this very important change of energy and transport production. So while you stand on your 6 year old hill of sand pointing fingers the ROW is getting on with making sure it doesnt get washed out to sea. Oracle, you don't know what you're talking about. You hear a few buzzwords and phrases and think they make you sound clever. FDI increased in 2021 after the chaos of Covid and the uncertainty around Brexit. What you've heard about and now repeating on here about FDI is a little out of date. It just proves to show tricky economic situations are transient and are not the end unto themselves. Figure 1 shows that the UK's inward FDI position - the stock of FDI in the UK controlled by foreign companies - rose by £83.1 billion to £2,002.4 billion in 2021. By contrast, the value of the UK's outward FDI position - stock of investment that UK-based companies control abroad - was £16.0 billion higher in 2021 (£1,769.3 billion) compared with 2020 (£1,753.3 billion). This means that the UK's negative net international investment position (outward less inward positions) widened to negative £233.0 billion in 2021, compared with negative £165.9 billion in 2020. www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/foreigndirectinvestmentinvolvingukcompanies/2021#:~:text=1.-,Main%20points,billion%20to%20%C2%A31%2C769.3%20billion. In other words, the UK's investments abroad continue to grow while the fdi's into the UK lag further and further behind. For the UK to grow it should be the other way around. Anyway, if the whole island sank beneath the waves you would still deny it. If one professional assessment doesnt explain it to you try another. www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/uk-and-global-economy-after-brexitSuch a shame. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 26, 2023 7:05:24 GMT
In other words, the UK's investments abroad continue to grow while the fdi's into the UK lag further and further behind. For the UK to grow it should be the other way around. Thats wrong - inward investment into the UK has overtaken outward investment since 2016. Which makes perfect sense as in 2016 the Pound dropped in value which made investing in the UK much cheaper and a bargain for overseas companies. Foreign direct investment outward, inward and net positions, 2012 to 2021 |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 26, 2023 7:20:02 GMT
In other words, the UK's investments abroad continue to grow while the fdi's into the UK lag further and further behind. For the UK to grow it should be the other way around. Thats wrong - inward investment into the UK has overtaken outward investment since 2016. Which makes perfect sense as in 2016 the Pound dropped in value which made investing in the UK much cheaper and a bargain for overseas companies. Foreign direct investment outward, inward and net positions, 2012 to 2021Indeed. Oracle seems confused. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 26, 2023 8:03:32 GMT
In other words, the UK's investments abroad continue to grow while the fdi's into the UK lag further and further behind. For the UK to grow it should be the other way around. Thats wrong - inward investment into the UK has overtaken outward investment since 2016. Which makes perfect sense as in 2016 the Pound dropped in value which made investing in the UK much cheaper and a bargain for overseas companies. Foreign direct investment outward, inward and net positions, 2012 to 2021So the net figure at the bottom of thhe graph doesnt appear in your copy? |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 26, 2023 8:12:28 GMT
Thats wrong - inward investment into the UK has overtaken outward investment since 2016. Which makes perfect sense as in 2016 the Pound dropped in value which made investing in the UK much cheaper and a bargain for overseas companies. Foreign direct investment outward, inward and net positions, 2012 to 2021So the net figure at the bottom of thhe graph doesnt appear in your copy? I was responding to this (incorrect) claim by you: "the UK's investments abroad continue to grow while the fdi's into the UK lag further and further behind"The reality is exactly the opposite. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 26, 2023 8:24:59 GMT
So the net figure at the bottom of thhe graph doesnt appear in your copy? I was responding to this (incorrect) claim by you: "the UK's investments abroad continue to grow while the fdi's into the UK lag further and further behind"The reality is exactly the opposite. Nor according to your summary at the botttom of your own graph which is not credited to any source. I prefer to believe the professional ecconomists who tell you who they are and are good enough to present findinngs to peers. It all contributes to the openly accepted fact that the UK still has the slowest growth in comparable countries, including the G7. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 26, 2023 8:42:49 GMT
I agree totally with the opening post, and am glad that as members of the EU we had, and still have the highest food safety standards in the world. As EU members we had caged chickens, mechanically separated meat products, sodium nitrite and related bowel cancer problems, and they also caused the BSE crisis by encouraging the feeding of waste animal meat products to herbivores. Something the EU has started doing again. No, we did not have the highest food standards, we had appalling food standards. And btw, what scientific argument is there against lab grown meat products? So long as the proteins are the same as real meats, and hygiene is maintained, where's the problem? The really unpleasant thing about real meat is an animal, quite often a gentle animal, has to die. The EU hasn't even banned pig crates yet and no ban will come into force until 2027. We outlawed the things years ago. Don't tell me that EU standards are good, they're really not. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 26, 2023 10:20:31 GMT
I was responding to this (incorrect) claim by you: "the UK's investments abroad continue to grow while the fdi's into the UK lag further and further behind"The reality is exactly the opposite. Nor according to your summary at the botttom of your own graph which is not credited to any source. I prefer to believe the professional ecconomists who tell you who they are and are good enough to present findinngs to peers. It all contributes to the openly accepted fact that the UK still has the slowest growth in comparable countries, including the G7. Oh Jesus. He used your own source Kim. And you made an incorrect claim as Pacifico highlighted. You're muddled up between inward FDI, outward and net. And simply, a negative net (which you're now alluding to) means more foreign direct investment is going into the UK than going out of it which is considered a good thing as it helps economic growth and is a creator of it. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 26, 2023 10:24:06 GMT
That's Kim for you.
It was the same on the old board, before she got banned.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 26, 2023 10:37:09 GMT
I was responding to this (incorrect) claim by you: "the UK's investments abroad continue to grow while the fdi's into the UK lag further and further behind"The reality is exactly the opposite. Nor according to your summary at the botttom of your own graph which is not credited to any source. I prefer to believe the professional ecconomists who tell you who they are and are good enough to present findinngs to peers. It all contributes to the openly accepted fact that the UK still has the slowest growth in comparable countries, including the G7. Er - the graph showing that inward investment into the UK has overtaken outward investment since 2016 comes from your link. You did look at your own link? |
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