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Post by thomas on Apr 22, 2023 12:08:34 GMT
I see this tweet is currently doing the rounds .
I think more and more across scotland and england especially ,people are now starting to wake up to the threat of a labour government led by the incompetent starmer and clowns like the disgusting rachel reeves.
Everytime that party are in power at local national or uk level , i and millions of others are worse off. So it will be interesting to see how they get on , despite the difficulties and incompetence of both the snp and tory governments , im not sure people really want to see another new labour government.
If Labour run true to form this is what happens..
Labour win, they give their pals at the civil service and public sector inflation busting pay rises, to reward them for their loyalty, they will throw tax payers money around like it was confetti, wasting it on lost causes, businesses will go bust because they will want to tax them within a inch of their lives, no big companies will want to invest in the UK.
The last time it happened Gordon Brown had to flog of our gold on the cheap so Labour could balance the books before anyone noticed, they bankrupt the country, the Tories have to step in, and then we are all hit with austerity cuts, all thanks to Labours total incompetence.
same in scotland . Its always the other parties that have to step in and take up all the problems inherited from previous labour governments. The PFI scandals in scotland are a perfect example.
Not only the £30 billion worth of pfi debt they left the scottish taxpayer to foot , but the fact the deals they negotiated were so incompetent ,that in many cases the pfi bill was five times the capital cost of the build , and the snp went in a renegotiated many of these deals and got them down to twice the original cost in stead of five times.
My auld man was a scottish conservative , and although i dont remember the labour governments of the seventies , i always mind him telling me of the disaster when labour were in power. I dont think i fully believed all the things he said till i went through the disaster that was the blair and brown governments , and the labour administration at holyrood under the likes of lord mcconnel , of which much of their inglorious legacy is still with us all today in all our countries.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 22, 2023 12:11:33 GMT
What's becoming ever more clear the prospect of there being a Labour government is dwindling, so the Unions, Civil servants, public servants are devising and colluding a plan together to bring down the Tories so Labour can win the next GE, they know Starmer and Labour can't sell themselves to the public, so they'll have to resort to dirty tricks. In effect the public/civil service are forming their own two tier government, they are the 'new Labour'. I see this tweet is currently doing the rounds .
I think more and more across scotland and england especially ,people are now starting to wake up to the threat of a labour government led by the incompetent starmer and clowns like the disgusting rachel reeves.
Everytime that party are in power at local national or uk level , i and millions of others are worse off. So it will be interesting to see how they get on , despite the difficulties and incompetence of both the snp and tory governments , im not sure people really want to see another new labour government.
How true. I think many people out there are of the opinion that Sunak's biggest asset is oddly enough, Starmer. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 22, 2023 12:17:38 GMT
I see this tweet is currently doing the rounds .
I think more and more across scotland and england especially ,people are now starting to wake up to the threat of a labour government led by the incompetent starmer and clowns like the disgusting rachel reeves.
Everytime that party are in power at local national or uk level , i and millions of others are worse off. So it will be interesting to see how they get on , despite the difficulties and incompetence of both the snp and tory governments , im not sure people really want to see another new labour government.
How true. I think many people out there are of the opinion that Sunak's biggest asset is oddly enough, Starmer. same in scotland for useless with keir sarwar. We all have the upcoming choice of dumb or dumber , and as i keep saying despite the disaster of both the current snp and tory administrations , im not too sure people are ready to put labour into power.
I think both the tories and snp are holding fire for now with labour. After all it is all too easy to not only rake up new labours inglorious past and woefull legacy , but you only have to look over to wales to see them in action at national level and the mess they have the welsh in.
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 22, 2023 12:31:37 GMT
If Labour run true to form this is what happens..
Labour win, they give their pals at the civil service and public sector inflation busting pay rises, to reward them for their loyalty, they will throw tax payers money around like it was confetti, wasting it on lost causes, businesses will go bust because they will want to tax them within a inch of their lives, no big companies will want to invest in the UK.
The last time it happened Gordon Brown had to flog of our gold on the cheap so Labour could balance the books before anyone noticed, they bankrupt the country, the Tories have to step in, and then we are all hit with austerity cuts, all thanks to Labours total incompetence.
same in scotland . Its always the other parties that have to step in and take up all the problems inherited from previous labour governments. The PFI scandals in scotland are a perfect example.
Not only the £30 billion worth of pfi debt they left the scottish taxpayer to foot , but the fact the deals they negotiated were so incompetent ,that in many cases the pfi bill was five times the capital cost of the build , and the snp went in a renegotiated many of these deals and got them down to twice the original cost in stead of five times.
My auld man was a scottish conservative , and although i dont remember the labour governments of the seventies , i always mind him telling me of the disaster when labour were in power. I dont think i fully believed all the things he said till i went through the disaster that was the blair and brown governments , and the labour administration at holyrood under the likes of lord mcconnel , of which much of their inglorious legacy is still with us all today in all our countries.
This has become a problem the Tories inherited from Labour, under Blair he was dishing out lucrative contracts to the likes of GPs, private sectors, building contracts some of which went bust, or ended up costing three times the amount. Here's some examples..
The TaxPayers' Alliance today reveals for the first time the scale of cost overruns in public sector capital procurement projects. We have investigated the official record of over 300 schemes, including roads, hospitals, science facilities, IT systems, art galleries and defence systems, which have been completed since the start of 2005 or are ongoing. We then compared the initial cost estimates with the final outturns or latest estimates for each one.
There have been a number of high-profile public sector building and defence projects that have finished years late and many times over-budget. The Euro-fighter, the Dome, and the Scottish Parliament, to name but a few, have repeatedly hit the headlines.
The research presented today represents the first systematic attempt to evaluate the official record of public sector capital projects, both large and small, over the last two years. The figures are quite startling:
The total net overrun for the 305 projects was over £23 billion above initial estimates. This is the equivalent of over £900 for every household in Britain.
The average overrun was 33.7 per cent.
14 projects overran by more than the Millennium Dome.
57 per cent of projects overran, compared with only 14 per cent that came in under-budget.
The worst two departments for overruns were the Department of Health and the Department for Culture, Media and Sport:
Projects under the responsibility of the Department for Culture, Media and Sport were 286 per cent over-budget on average.
Projects run by the Department of Health were £13.9 billion over-budget.
By contrast, the best department was the Department for Work and Pensions. Projects under its responsibility were 28 per cent under-budget on average.
The worst regions for overruns were London and national (i.e. projects not allocated to any region):
Projects in London were 132 per cent over-budget on average, primarily due to the Olympic Games, which are currently almost £7 billion over-budget.
National projects were £11.5 billion over-budget, largely due to the NHS NPfIT, currently £10.1 billion over-budget, but given that the total size of national projects was larger, the average percentage overrun was lower.
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Post by thomas on Apr 22, 2023 12:44:29 GMT
same in scotland . Its always the other parties that have to step in and take up all the problems inherited from previous labour governments. The PFI scandals in scotland are a perfect example.
This has become a problem the Tories inherited from Labour, under Blair he was dishing out lucrative contracts to the likes of GPs, private sectors, building contracts some of which went bust, or ended up costing three times the amount. Here's some examples..
The TaxPayers' Alliance today reveals for the first time the scale of cost overruns in public sector capital procurement projects. We have investigated the official record of over 300 schemes, including roads, hospitals, science facilities, IT systems, art galleries and defence systems, which have been completed since the start of 2005 or are ongoing. We then compared the initial cost estimates with the final outturns or latest estimates for each one.
There have been a number of high-profile public sector building and defence projects that have finished years late and many times over-budget. The Euro-fighter, the Dome, and the Scottish Parliament, to name but a few, have repeatedly hit the headlines.
The research presented today represents the first systematic attempt to evaluate the official record of public sector capital projects, both large and small, over the last two years. The figures are quite startling:
The total net overrun for the 305 projects was over £23 billion above initial estimates. This is the equivalent of over £900 for every household in Britain.
The average overrun was 33.7 per cent.
14 projects overran by more than the Millennium Dome.
57 per cent of projects overran, compared with only 14 per cent that came in under-budget.
The worst two departments for overruns were the Department of Health and the Department for Culture, Media and Sport:
Projects under the responsibility of the Department for Culture, Media and Sport were 286 per cent over-budget on average.
Projects run by the Department of Health were £13.9 billion over-budget.
By contrast, the best department was the Department for Work and Pensions. Projects under its responsibility were 28 per cent under-budget on average.
The worst regions for overruns were London and national (i.e. projects not allocated to any region):
Projects in London were 132 per cent over-budget on average, primarily due to the Olympic Games, which are currently almost £7 billion over-budget.
National projects were £11.5 billion over-budget, largely due to the NHS NPfIT, currently £10.1 billion over-budget, but given that the total size of national projects was larger, the average percentage overrun was lower.
I can well believe all of that. Very similar in scotland , and while both the snp and tory governments have been criticised for their failings when in power , and rightly so , we musnt forget the absolute disaster of labour in power.
...and we wont.
PFI was so beloved of brown and blair becuase they could waste billions and the payments would show up not on their books , but the incoming governments and administrations books in the future. Labour as we know love leaving ticking timebombs for other political parties to deal with , and labour then promptly starts shouting out of power about problems they casued when last in power.
The eqaul pay dispute for female council workers in glasgow is a small example of those ticking timebombs. Spent decades fighting equal pay spending millions in the courts , then when they were kicked out of glasgow council after 80 inglorious years of incompetencey and mass corruption , started winding up the unions to blame the incoming snp administration for problems they failed to deal with when in power.
For me and many others , it wasnt just the overrunn and mass incompetency and debt labour left when delaing with many of these projects....in scotland , they handed the building contracts to their mates firms who promptly did such a shabby job that many schools (oxgangs primary school Edinburgh.....brick walls bulit with no brick ties that fell down and could have killed children but thankfully didnt) and hospitals are crumbling despite billions in debt still being payed under these contracts labour signed off.
You only have to scratch the surface of labours record when last in power to see a disgracefull legacy of incompetence and bankruptcy at every level.
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Post by thomas on Apr 22, 2023 12:50:09 GMT
I see on twitter angela rayner rent a gub was bumping her gums about Raabs bullying. As many point out , wasnt she running around at one point calling tories scum ?
I love the likes of sarwar , baillie ,or rayner , lady nugee and nandy and reeves. Sir starmer must have a fit everytime they are given a media platform.
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 22, 2023 12:54:29 GMT
This has become a problem the Tories inherited from Labour, under Blair he was dishing out lucrative contracts to the likes of GPs, private sectors, building contracts some of which went bust, or ended up costing three times the amount. Here's some examples..
The TaxPayers' Alliance today reveals for the first time the scale of cost overruns in public sector capital procurement projects. We have investigated the official record of over 300 schemes, including roads, hospitals, science facilities, IT systems, art galleries and defence systems, which have been completed since the start of 2005 or are ongoing. We then compared the initial cost estimates with the final outturns or latest estimates for each one.
There have been a number of high-profile public sector building and defence projects that have finished years late and many times over-budget. The Euro-fighter, the Dome, and the Scottish Parliament, to name but a few, have repeatedly hit the headlines.
The research presented today represents the first systematic attempt to evaluate the official record of public sector capital projects, both large and small, over the last two years. The figures are quite startling:
The total net overrun for the 305 projects was over £23 billion above initial estimates. This is the equivalent of over £900 for every household in Britain.
The average overrun was 33.7 per cent.
14 projects overran by more than the Millennium Dome.
57 per cent of projects overran, compared with only 14 per cent that came in under-budget.
The worst two departments for overruns were the Department of Health and the Department for Culture, Media and Sport:
Projects under the responsibility of the Department for Culture, Media and Sport were 286 per cent over-budget on average.
Projects run by the Department of Health were £13.9 billion over-budget.
By contrast, the best department was the Department for Work and Pensions. Projects under its responsibility were 28 per cent under-budget on average.
The worst regions for overruns were London and national (i.e. projects not allocated to any region):
Projects in London were 132 per cent over-budget on average, primarily due to the Olympic Games, which are currently almost £7 billion over-budget.
National projects were £11.5 billion over-budget, largely due to the NHS NPfIT, currently £10.1 billion over-budget, but given that the total size of national projects was larger, the average percentage overrun was lower.
I can well believe all of that. Very similar in scotland , and while both the snp and tory governments have been criticised for their failings when in power , and rightly so , we musnt forget the absolute disaster of labour in power.
...and we wont.
PFI was so beloved of brown and blair becuase they could waste billions and the payments would show up not on their books , but the incoming governments and administrations books in the future. Labour as we know love leaving ticking timebombs for other political parties to deal with , and labour then promptly starts shouting out of power about problems they casued when last in power.
The eqaul pay dispute for female council workers in glasgow is a small example of those ticking timebombs. Spent decades fighting equal pay spending millions in the courts , then when they were kicked out of glasgow council after 80 inglorious years of incompetencey and mass corruption , started winding up the unions to blame the incoming snp administration for problems they failed to deal with when in power.
For me and many others , it wasnt just the overrunn and mass incompetency and debt labour left when delaing with many of these projects....in scotland , they handed the building contracts to their mates firms who promptly did such a shabby job that many schools (oxgangs primary school Edinburgh.....brick walls bulit with no brick ties that fell down and could have killed children but thankfully didnt) and hospitals are crumbling despite billions in debt still being payed under these contracts labour signed off.
You only have to scratch the surface of labours record when last in power to see a disgracefull legacy of incompetence and bankruptcy at every level.
Absolutely, the government of the day are still unraveling the aftermath of Labours disastrous years in office. They made deals that are almost impossible to backtrack on, they are set in stone, Blair/Brown knew what they were doing, and Starmer proves it. Starmer is trying to blame this government for policies implemented by the last Labour government, most of us know who has caused most of these problems that the Tories have had to pick up the pieces.
We are finished if Labour win the next election, it's game over, Starmer is one of the most incompetent, dumb, uncharismatic Labour leaders in history.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 22, 2023 12:55:21 GMT
I can't imagine on what moral authority you feel they have a right to use their tax payer funded positions to 'fight' with the bosses assigned to them by the taxpayer The moral authority lies in the bullying. Do you, like it appears to be be with other people, feel they should accept the bulling and get on with it? There is a line between bullying and authority, some people do not know where it is.Indeed - as all of the complaints against Raab apart from 2 were found to be without merit there seem to be quite a few Civil Servents unaware where the line is. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 12:58:20 GMT
Do you, like it appears to be be with other people, feel they should accept the bulling and get on with it? Of course. Within the bounds of some kind of actual targeted harassment - ie blackmail or threatening their family. They are paid to deal with pressure etc Pressure is one thing, they accept that but 'going over the top' in your criticism is entirely different. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 22, 2023 13:01:12 GMT
Of course. Within the bounds of some kind of actual targeted harassment - ie blackmail or threatening their family. They are paid to deal with pressure etc Pressure is one thing, they accept that but 'going over the top' in your criticism is entirely different. I disagree. I think if you really are a sensitive flower who really can't withstand strongly worded criticism, you should choose another career |
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Post by thomas on Apr 22, 2023 13:01:18 GMT
I can well believe all of that. Very similar in scotland , and while both the snp and tory governments have been criticised for their failings when in power , and rightly so , we musnt forget the absolute disaster of labour in power.
...and we wont.
PFI was so beloved of brown and blair becuase they could waste billions and the payments would show up not on their books , but the incoming governments and administrations books in the future. Labour as we know love leaving ticking timebombs for other political parties to deal with , and labour then promptly starts shouting out of power about problems they casued when last in power.
The eqaul pay dispute for female council workers in glasgow is a small example of those ticking timebombs. Spent decades fighting equal pay spending millions in the courts , then when they were kicked out of glasgow council after 80 inglorious years of incompetencey and mass corruption , started winding up the unions to blame the incoming snp administration for problems they failed to deal with when in power.
For me and many others , it wasnt just the overrunn and mass incompetency and debt labour left when delaing with many of these projects....in scotland , they handed the building contracts to their mates firms who promptly did such a shabby job that many schools (oxgangs primary school Edinburgh.....brick walls bulit with no brick ties that fell down and could have killed children but thankfully didnt) and hospitals are crumbling despite billions in debt still being payed under these contracts labour signed off.
You only have to scratch the surface of labours record when last in power to see a disgracefull legacy of incompetence and bankruptcy at every level.
Absolutely, the government of the day are still unraveling the aftermath of Labours disastrous years in office. They made deals that are almost impossible to backtrack on, they are set in stone, Blair/Brown knew what they were doing, and Starmer proves it. Starmer is trying to blame this government for policies implemented by the last Labour government, most of us know who has caused most of these problems that the Tories have had to pick up the pieces.
We are finished if Labour win the next election, it's game over, Starmer is one of the most incompetent, dumb, uncharismatic Labour leaders in history.
aye. Starmer really is a puzzle. You can only blame the disasterous fptp two party system at westmisnter for labour currently riding high in the polls for literally doing and saying nothing with as you say one of the worst labour leaders i can remember in history.
Even michael foot had more charisma and vision than the lamentable starmer.
Im also not aware of anyone in know ( albeit anecdotally ) who is prepared to vote labour , so it is puzzling their lead however soft it may be.
Totally agree with your post though.
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 22, 2023 13:39:47 GMT
Absolutely, the government of the day are still unraveling the aftermath of Labours disastrous years in office. They made deals that are almost impossible to backtrack on, they are set in stone, Blair/Brown knew what they were doing, and Starmer proves it. Starmer is trying to blame this government for policies implemented by the last Labour government, most of us know who has caused most of these problems that the Tories have had to pick up the pieces.
We are finished if Labour win the next election, it's game over, Starmer is one of the most incompetent, dumb, uncharismatic Labour leaders in history.
aye. Starmer really is a puzzle. You can only blame the disasterous fptp two party system at westmisnter for labour currently riding high in the polls for literally doing and saying nothing with as you say one of the worst labour leaders i can remember in history.
Even michael foot had more charisma and vision than the lamentable starmer.
Im also not aware of anyone in know ( albeit anecdotally ) who is prepared to vote labour , so it is puzzling their lead however soft it may be.
Totally agree with your post though.
I'm not sure where they are getting these Labour lead polls from, as you quite rightly say, the average person on the street don't appear to be backing Labour, and we also have to remember Labour can help block a lot of Tory plans that would see them make gains in the polls, Labour are dishonest, we know most politicians and political parties are strangers to the truth, but Labour are in anther league, the are totally dishonest and play dirty. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 22, 2023 13:53:31 GMT
aye. Starmer really is a puzzle. You can only blame the disasterous fptp two party system at westmisnter for labour currently riding high in the polls for literally doing and saying nothing with as you say one of the worst labour leaders i can remember in history.
Even michael foot had more charisma and vision than the lamentable starmer.
Im also not aware of anyone in know ( albeit anecdotally ) who is prepared to vote labour , so it is puzzling their lead however soft it may be.
Totally agree with your post though.
I'm not sure where they are getting these Labour lead polls from, as you quite rightly say, the average person on the street don't appear to be backing Labour, and we also have to remember Labour can help block a lot of Tory plans that would see them make gains in the polls, Labour are dishonest, we know most politicians and political parties are strangers to the truth, but Labour are in anther league, the are totally dishonest and play dirty. it is puzzling. Labour as i said over in the scot threads are never going to break into scotland for example as they are at best struggling to get 30 % max in polls. Not sure how they are polling in the red wall seats in england , but i would be surprised if people there forget how bad labour were when they took the red wall votes for granted.
Labour are in another league in terms of dishonesty. They seem to have nothing to offer the ordinary voter except screaming about dominic raab being a bully , or sarwar trying to make hay out the snp binfire and even daft useless constantly hands him his arse on a plate.
Apart from stopping scot indy , or taking the uk back into the EU what are their policies to fix the uks problems? Where is their vision? What do they stand for? I cant keep up with starmers twists and turns each and every week.
Is he for or against nationalisation this week ? does anyone know anything keir starmer has a concrete position on ?
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 22, 2023 14:09:09 GMT
I'm not sure where they are getting these Labour lead polls from, as you quite rightly say, the average person on the street don't appear to be backing Labour, and we also have to remember Labour can help block a lot of Tory plans that would see them make gains in the polls, Labour are dishonest, we know most politicians and political parties are strangers to the truth, but Labour are in anther league, the are totally dishonest and play dirty. it is puzzling. Labour as i said over in the scot threads are never going to break into scotland for example as they are at best struggling to get 30 % max in polls. Not sure how they are polling in the red wall seats in england , but i would be surprised if people there forget how bad labour were when they took the red wall votes for granted.
Labour are in another league in terms of dishonesty. They seem to have nothing to offer the ordinary voter except screaming about dominic raab being a bully , or sarwar trying to make hay out the snp binfire and even daft useless constantly hands him his arse on a plate.
Apart from stopping scot indy , or taking the uk back into the EU what are their policies to fix the uks problems? Where is their vision? What do they stand for? I cant keep up with starmers twists and turns each and every week.
Is he for or against nationalisation this week ? does anyone know anything keir starmer has a concrete position on ?
It doesn't bode well for the future when the only ground Labour can make is when they start a witch-hunt on a Tory, they never let up on Johnson, to the point of obsession, they've tried to destroy Sunak with their disgusting poster about how soft he is on sentencing paedophiles, now they've moved on to Raab, he's done now, so who is their next 'victim'?
They have no polices, nothing to offer the electorate, and to think they could win the next General Election purely on character assassinations of the Tories, is quite frankly dumbfounding and disturbing, and gutter politics, we don't want to go down that route, but that's were Labour are heading us, because they have a lame duck leader, and are useless opposition.
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Post by thomas on Apr 22, 2023 14:20:20 GMT
it is puzzling. Labour as i said over in the scot threads are never going to break into scotland for example as they are at best struggling to get 30 % max in polls. Not sure how they are polling in the red wall seats in england , but i would be surprised if people there forget how bad labour were when they took the red wall votes for granted.
Labour are in another league in terms of dishonesty. They seem to have nothing to offer the ordinary voter except screaming about dominic raab being a bully , or sarwar trying to make hay out the snp binfire and even daft useless constantly hands him his arse on a plate.
Apart from stopping scot indy , or taking the uk back into the EU what are their policies to fix the uks problems? Where is their vision? What do they stand for? I cant keep up with starmers twists and turns each and every week.
Is he for or against nationalisation this week ? does anyone know anything keir starmer has a concrete position on ?
It doesn't bode well for the future when the only ground Labour can make is when they start a witch-hunt on a Tory, they never let up on Johnson, to the point of obsession, they've tried to destroy Sunak with their disgusting poster about how soft he is on sentencing paedophiles, now they've moved on to Raab, he's done now, so who is their next 'victim'?
They have no polices, nothing to offer the electorate, and to think they could win the next General Election purely on character assassinations of the Tories, is quite frankly dumbfounding and disturbing, and gutter politics, we don't want to go down that route, but that's were Labour are heading us, because they have a lame duck leader, and are useless opposition.
Precisely. You are spot on , it doesnt bode well for the future when the uk state has such a dysfunctional out of date political system it could potentially let a party like labour into power for sayng doing and offereing nothing.
Im surprised many others also dont see it , and that even more arent out campaigning to sort the disasterous fptp two party stitch up out.
Labour have relied for so long now on the fptp two party stitch up that they have nothing to offer except demanding you vote labour cause your father did , while they scream tory bad (or in scotland snp bad).
Even if you took away all the constitutional issues of the uk state , i still couldnt consider giving labour a vote till i found out more of what starmer actually stands for and what his policies actually are , thats before you even begin to grapple with the trust issues of a man who broke every one of his leadership election pledges.
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