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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 14:19:32 GMT
You have to love the way they rely on a unnamed many to reinforce their hate of Buddhism. If you understood any of it then you would know why they don't harm others. This is not to say they're not human and unable to defend themselves. It's a path (some may deviate from) to some eventual goal of releasing all karma accumulated throughout their life cycles. This is why they sit around meditating inbetween repetitive tasks. Buddha went out into the world to understand suffering, not to create suffering for others, but instead offer a way out of it. There is no compulsion (for real). Interesting, and highlights the risk of referring to a Master as a figure of authority, which they are not. A deviation of the path, which obviously brought with it much resentment from the Buddhists who fought against the military growth. But then again, the Samarai would also meditate. I can only summise that he had other interests, which is often the case within any movement. Contrast this with the Vietnamese Buddhists during the American war in Vietnam, where they went to the USA and condemned those who supported Vietnam in the war then you get a different picture. They saw taking either side plays into the rage that only continued bloodshed and suffering for all people. Thich Nkat Hanh was condemned by his own government over his ideals and couldn't return to his homeland for the 40 years he was exiled. |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 14, 2023 14:24:15 GMT
Im sure we all welcome calling a spade a spade and some straight talking but it would help if Braverman got her facts right before speaking . She completely ruined a good story by saying most grooming gangs are Pakistani when clearly that is not the case ,the problem being in reporting and investigating `the crime when it involved Pakistanis under fear of being called out as racist . and how do you know most grooming gangs ate NOT pakistani. Throughout Labour’s time Pakistani child rapists were allowed to carry out their acts unmolested by the police so tgere are no crime logs to show they existed. Whch is why government figures will show they dont exist. All a but self fulfilling really We dont , but we dont know they are either (bar cat 1 which has been shown to be the case ). The Pakistani rape gangs was a very low point in child protection services in this country but was just another chapter in a long line of failures in that area . |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 14:30:51 GMT
Interesting, and highlights the risk of referring to a Master as a figure of authority, which they are not. A deviation of the path, which obviously brought with it much resentment from the Buddhists who fought against the military growth. But then again, the Samarai would also meditate. I can only summise that he had other interests, which is often the case within any movement. Contrast this with the Vietnamese Buddhists during the American war in Vietnam, where they went to the USA and condemned those who supported Vietnam in the war then you get a different picture. They saw taking either side plays into the rage that only continued bloodshed and suffering for all people. Thich Nkat Hanh was condemned by his own government over his ideals and couldn't return to his homeland for the 40 years he was exiled.
There has been unusual relations in the past with military.
There is a lot of stuff around about Zen Buddhists supporting the Japs . I’ve only read a few articles tbh . I think we all know religions can be manipulated. Christianity is essentially a pacifist religion if you go by the words of Christ but it was easily manipulated to become a religion of violence and oppression. One if my pet hates is people implying’karma ‘ is a device of retribution. It’s not . |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 15:07:50 GMT
Interesting, and highlights the risk of referring to a Master as a figure of authority, which they are not. A deviation of the path, which obviously brought with it much resentment from the Buddhists who fought against the military growth. But then again, the Samarai would also meditate. I can only summise that he had other interests, which is often the case within any movement. Contrast this with the Vietnamese Buddhists during the American war in Vietnam, where they went to the USA and condemned those who supported Vietnam in the war then you get a different picture. They saw taking either side plays into the rage that only continued bloodshed and suffering for all people. Thich Nkat Hanh was condemned by his own government over his ideals and couldn't return to his homeland for the 40 years he was exiled.
There has been unusual relations in the past with military.
There is a lot of stuff around about Zen Buddhists supporting the Japs . I’ve only read a few articles tbh . I think we all know religions can be manipulated. Christianity is essentially a pacifist religion if you go by the words of Christ but it was easily manipulated to become a religion of violence and oppression. One if my pet hates is people implying’karma ‘ is a device of retribution. It’s not . Karma is just action which a Buddhist would be aiming to minimalise throughout their lives. Especially in what we may consider bad karma (a concept that can become dubious in nature). However, there's a form of justness involved, which can involve them at a political level. It's, or at least should be, more of a perspective than a religion. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 15:14:03 GMT
There is a lot of stuff around about Zen Buddhists supporting the Japs . I’ve only read a few articles tbh . I think we all know religions can be manipulated. Christianity is essentially a pacifist religion if you go by the words of Christ but it was easily manipulated to become a religion of violence and oppression. One if my pet hates is people implying’karma ‘ is a device of retribution. It’s not . Karma is just action which a Buddhist would be aiming to minimalise throughout their lives. Especially in what we may consider bad karma (a concept that can become dubious in nature). However, there's a form of justness involved, which can involve them at a political level. It's, or at least should be, more of a perspective than a religion. Hence the middle way. It causes less ripples and karma is the ripples . I haven’t took much notice of Buddhism for a few years . It has a lot of wisdom within it but IMO it’s still contrived . If it’s actually true then reality would be quite horrendous. We are merely a bundle of attributes that endures life after life of suffering until we realise that we are a bundle of attributes that endures life after life of suffering. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 15:46:19 GMT
Karma is just action which a Buddhist would be aiming to minimalise throughout their lives. Especially in what we may consider bad karma (a concept that can become dubious in nature). However, there's a form of justness involved, which can involve them at a political level. It's, or at least should be, more of a perspective than a religion. Hence the middle way. It causes less ripples and karma is the ripples . I haven’t took much notice of Buddhism for a few years . It has a lot of wisdom within it but IMO it’s still contrived . If it’s actually true then reality would be quite horrendous. We are merely a bundle of attributes that endures life after life of suffering until we realise that we are a bundle of attributes that endures life after life of suffering. Yet they also embrace joy, calmness, peace and clarity from just being - a discrepancy to the life of suffering. It's a difficult path that seems to ask a lot, including our very ego. It isn't something I could truely do, but I have, like you, found wisdom in it. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 15:51:57 GMT
Hence the middle way. It causes less ripples and karma is the ripples . I haven’t took much notice of Buddhism for a few years . It has a lot of wisdom within it but IMO it’s still contrived . If it’s actually true then reality would be quite horrendous. We are merely a bundle of attributes that endures life after life of suffering until we realise that we are a bundle of attributes that endures life after life of suffering. Yet they also embrace joy, calmness, peace and clarity from just being - a discrepancy to the life of suffering. It's a difficult path that seems to ask a lot, including our very ego. It isn't something I could truely do, but I have, like you, found wisdom in it. You only enjoy peace, joy etc when you realise why you were suffering for all those lives past. It also implies that if you have a shitty life it is because of what you have done in past lives. There is no getting away from that. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 15:55:02 GMT
But while you're right about Buddhist scripture, unfortunately way too many Buddhists don't follow it especially in Thailand and Myanmar where they have at times maniacally harassed and murdered muslims. What Buddhist scripture? I believe it's called Ahimsa and 'not to injure' but you're the one that was saying true Buddhists don't do violence so why are you challenging? |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 15:56:34 GMT
No This thread is about the character of Suealla Braverman so her apparent double standards is clearly germane. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 16:00:11 GMT
No This thread is about the character of Suealla Braverman so her apparent double standards is clearly germane. So no Christian could make her point either then? |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 16:07:33 GMT
No This thread is about the character of Suealla Braverman so her apparent double standards is clearly germane. So no Christian could make her point either then? That's your view not mine |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 16:09:21 GMT
So no Christian could make her point either then? That's your view not mine No it’s yours . If you belong to a religion that has a history of sexual misconduct then you can’t say what she did . You do know the founder of Islam had sex with children dont you? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 16:09:57 GMT
Yet they also embrace joy, calmness, peace and clarity from just being - a discrepancy to the life of suffering. It's a difficult path that seems to ask a lot, including our very ego. It isn't something I could truely do, but I have, like you, found wisdom in it. You only enjoy peace, joy etc when you realise why you were suffering for all those lives past. It also implies that if you have a shitty life it is because of what you have done in past lives. There is no getting away from that. Implies perhaps, but you could have been hurt by others which caused suffering and karma, if we're to believe in rebirth. I find the concept a little contradictory to the understanding of ego as an illusion. As in, it maybe a load of bollocks from an era when such beliefs were popular. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 16:17:16 GMT
You only enjoy peace, joy etc when you realise why you were suffering for all those lives past. It also implies that if you have a shitty life it is because of what you have done in past lives. There is no getting away from that. Implies perhaps, but you could have been hurt by others which caused suffering and karma, if we're to believe in rebirth. I find the concept a little contradictory to the understanding of ego as an illusion. As in, it maybe a load of bollocks from an era when such beliefs were popular. There’s a problem . It doesn’t work out . The concept that we are all one entity is quite appealing, until you get to the details . If you keep to the middle way and still become a victim of other peoples karma then the principles of Buddhism start to break down imo. Everything becomes an approximation. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 16:31:43 GMT
I believe it's called Ahimsa and 'not to injure' but you're the one that was saying true Buddhists don't do violence so why are you challenging? Actually, I said they wouldn't harm anyone. You're the one who claimed that they do, where I questioned those who do not follow the ideals. I also go through life avoiding violence, but I'd kick your backside if you tried to strike me.
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