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Post by Orac on Apr 14, 2023 12:41:23 GMT
Anyone who talks plainly about this issue will be removed from office. If this is the case, it suggests that large parts of the problem are deeply embedded in government and there needs to be a clear out as a matter of urgency It's not that she talks plainly about the issue it's that she plainly goes for dog whistle ethnic stereotyping It really doesn't matter what silly terminology you use to describe her talking about the issue.. it sounds like this needs to be escalated |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 12:41:25 GMT
Anyone who talks plainly about this issue will be removed from office. If this is the case, it suggests that large parts of the problem are deeply embedded in government and there needs to be a clear out as a matter of urgency If you cannot vote it out what other options are there? After all, time is a factor - they will just make it harder and harder to address any of the issues. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 12:47:22 GMT
As far as I'm concerned Buddhists would never harm anyone, and if they did then they're not Buddhists. Maybe not in your eyes but many that the world recognises as followers of Buddhism are indeed very violent. You have to love the way they rely on a unnamed many to reinforce their hate of Buddhism. If you understood any of it then you would know why they don't harm others. This is not to say they're not human and unable to defend themselves. It's a path (some may deviate from) to some eventual goal of releasing all karma accumulated throughout their life cycles. This is why they sit around meditating inbetween repetitive tasks. Buddha went out into the world to understand suffering, not to create suffering for others, but instead offer a way out of it. There is no compulsion (for real). |
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Post by Orac on Apr 14, 2023 12:49:29 GMT
Anyone who talks plainly about this issue will be removed from office. If this is the case, it suggests that large parts of the problem are deeply embedded in government and there needs to be a clear out as a matter of urgency If you cannot vote it out what other options are there? After all, time is a factor - they will just make it harder and harder to address any of the issues. I agree it's desperate - we had decades of apparent government complicity and now, if we start seeing people in government who try to do their jobs ending up out of government, it starts to look a bit like a democratic emergency |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 14, 2023 12:59:05 GMT
Im sure we all welcome calling a spade a spade and some straight talking but it would help if Braverman got her facts right before speaking . She completely ruined a good story by saying most grooming gangs are Pakistani when clearly that is not the case ,the problem being in reporting and investigating `the crime when it involved Pakistanis under fear of being called out as racist . You are wrong, Braverman is correct. The vast majority of grooming gangs in this country certainly since 1975, who have been charged with type 1, the most serious, child sexual exploitation offences (CSE) are made up of British Pakistani's or men of Pakistani heritage. This is not a secret and has been acknowledged by the courts. The only reason this abhorrent crime was allowed to continue for decades is because weak politicians were frightened of naming a notoriously aggresive minority. If you are unaware of this, you have no right contributing to this thread, until you have read up. LABOUR’S COVER-UP: Gordon Brown’s Government ‘Urged’ Police Not To Investigate Grooming Gangs:www.politicalite.com/labour/labours-cover-up-gordon-browns-government-urged-police-not-to-investigate-muslim-grooming-gangs/Rotherham police chief ignored sex abuse of children: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-chief-we-ignored-sex-abuse-of-children-hgrhc358vBritish-Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian:www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.htmlThe Andrew Norfolk archive has many informative links: rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/child-sexual-exploitation-rotherham-model-documentation-project/the-andrew-norfolk-archive/Grooming gangs Britains shame: (This is 45 minutes so I doubt you will watch it, but you should) youtu.be/VAGk2mvgBEkEasy Meat: Inside the British Grooming Gang Scandal (Be warned you need a strong stomach to read this, it's very upsetting) www.waterstones.com/book/easy-meat/peter-mcloughlin/9781943003068Points to note: The Independent link above says 84% of grooming gang members in this country are 'Asian', this is misleading. 84% are made up of British Pakistanis or men of Pakistani heritage. As far as I'm aware the only Asians who are heavily involved in type 1 CSE offences in this country are Pakistanis, not Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese etc etc, just Pakistanis. Google 'Grooming gangs' and click images, it's all there. People who hand wring and say Most grooming gangs (Who are charged with type 1 CSE offences) are not made up of British Pakistanis are a part of the problem. As I said above this politically correct attitude has allowed this abhorrent crime to continue for decades. As I said she ruined a good story ,if she had said that Pakistanis made up the majority of the most serious of offences (type 1) she would of been correct . That she didn't allowed those calling her out an opportunity to bring all child sex offences to the table |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 13:01:51 GMT
Maybe not in your eyes but many that the world recognises as followers of Buddhism are indeed very violent. You have to love the way they rely on a unnamed many to reinforce their hate of Buddhism. If you understood any of it then you would know why they don't harm others. This is not to say they're not human and unable to defend themselves. It's a path (some may deviate from) to some eventual goal of releasing all karma accumulated throughout their life cycles. This is why they sit around meditating inbetween repetitive tasks. Buddha went out into the world to understand suffering, not to create suffering for others, but instead offer a way out of it. There is no compulsion (for real). But while you're right about Buddhist scripture, unfortunately way too many Buddhists don't follow it especially in Thailand and Myanmar where they have at times maniacally harassed and murdered muslims. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 13:05:36 GMT
If you cannot vote it out what other options are there? After all, time is a factor - they will just make it harder and harder to address any of the issues. I agree it's desperate - we had decades of apparent government complicity and now, if we start seeing people in government who try to do their jobs ending up out of government, it starts to look a bit like a democratic emergency Over the years we've had the news corps against alternative news sources and a clamp down on all discussion that goes against some authoriritarian narrative, and while this may look like the establishment is panicking it still sees us more of a nuisance than a threat to the status quo.
People vote Conservative because they promise something, only for them to go against those promises and continue Blairism. People vote Labour to improve the lives of the less fortunate only to see working class areas facing their own genocidal lunacy instead.
Democracy isn't working as intended. It would appear that controlling the information and forcing their Orwellian thought control is paramount.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 13:06:08 GMT
You have to love the way they rely on a unnamed many to reinforce their hate of Buddhism. If you understood any of it then you would know why they don't harm others. This is not to say they're not human and unable to defend themselves. It's a path (some may deviate from) to some eventual goal of releasing all karma accumulated throughout their life cycles. This is why they sit around meditating inbetween repetitive tasks. Buddha went out into the world to understand suffering, not to create suffering for others, but instead offer a way out of it. There is no compulsion (for real). But while you're right about Buddhist scripture, unfortunately way too many Buddhists don't follow it especially in Thailand and Myanmar where they have at times maniacally harassed and murdered muslims. What Buddhist scripture? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 14, 2023 13:29:57 GMT
You are wrong, Braverman is correct. The vast majority of grooming gangs in this country certainly since 1975, who have been charged with type 1, the most serious, child sexual exploitation offences (CSE) are made up of British Pakistani's or men of Pakistani heritage. This is not a secret and has been acknowledged by the courts. The only reason this abhorrent crime was allowed to continue for decades is because weak politicians were frightened of naming a notoriously aggresive minority. If you are unaware of this, you have no right contributing to this thread, until you have read up. LABOUR’S COVER-UP: Gordon Brown’s Government ‘Urged’ Police Not To Investigate Grooming Gangs:www.politicalite.com/labour/labours-cover-up-gordon-browns-government-urged-police-not-to-investigate-muslim-grooming-gangs/Rotherham police chief ignored sex abuse of children: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-chief-we-ignored-sex-abuse-of-children-hgrhc358vBritish-Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian:www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.htmlThe Andrew Norfolk archive has many informative links: rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/child-sexual-exploitation-rotherham-model-documentation-project/the-andrew-norfolk-archive/Grooming gangs Britains shame: (This is 45 minutes so I doubt you will watch it, but you should) youtu.be/VAGk2mvgBEkEasy Meat: Inside the British Grooming Gang Scandal (Be warned you need a strong stomach to read this, it's very upsetting) www.waterstones.com/book/easy-meat/peter-mcloughlin/9781943003068Points to note: The Independent link above says 84% of grooming gang members in this country are 'Asian', this is misleading. 84% are made up of British Pakistanis or men of Pakistani heritage. As far as I'm aware the only Asians who are heavily involved in type 1 CSE offences in this country are Pakistanis, not Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese etc etc, just Pakistanis. Google 'Grooming gangs' and click images, it's all there. People who hand wring and say Most grooming gangs (Who are charged with type 1 CSE offences) are not made up of British Pakistanis are a part of the problem. As I said above this politically correct attitude has allowed this abhorrent crime to continue for decades. As I said she ruined a good story ,if she had said that Pakistanis made up the majority of the most serious of offences (type 1) she would of been correct . That she didn't allowed those calling her out an opportunity to bring all child sex offences to the table As I said on another thread the overall rate of sex offences (i.e. those on the sex offenders register) is about 0.1% of the population. It's very low. If you analyse the figures from the various reports about grooming gangs (e.g. the Jay report on Rotherham) you'll see that the rate of CSE offending in the muslim community is vastly higher - more like 15%. The only reasons that this isn't obvious from Home Office data is that 1) police data doesn't record the ethnicity of the offenders and 2) the Police have charged a tiny proportion of the offenders (for fear of offending cultural sensitivities). So the likes of Warsi can hide behind misleading figures. But the in depth reports about these crimes in towns with significant muslim populations make the problems clear. Even a BBC "Enquiry" program reported a case where a girl had been raped and abused by a large number of Pakistani muslims. She agreed to help with the prosecution of the offenders provided she was given police protection. The case went ahead but the police screwed it up and (to cut a long story short) the offenders were acquitted. After the case the police provided no protection for their witness and her abusers broke into her flat and set it on fire. They also attacked the girl and held her hand on a lit gas hob causing severe burns and beat her up. She called the police who came round and took her to hospital. She made a statement of what had happened but the police took no action - EXCEPT to get her sectioned under the mental health act. I suggest you do a bit of reading on this subject before posting crap. These girls have been treated absolutely appallingly. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 14, 2023 13:38:24 GMT
On another point I see that the BBC and ITV are very reluctant to talk about this situation - and of course the Guardian sides with the abusers.
But what's worse is that the news outlets that can usually be relied on to talk about "tricky" subjects, like Talk and GBN, also seem to be trying to avoid it. Such is the fear of being called "Racist bigots" by the muslims and the Left that these rapists are free to do what they like.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 13:42:20 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 13:45:10 GMT
She described a “predominance of certain ethnic groups – and I say British Pakistani males – who hold cultural values totally at odds with British values, who see women in a demeaned and illegitimate way”.
Fair comment ?
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 13:47:42 GMT
Maybe not in your eyes but many that the world recognises as followers of Buddhism are indeed very violent. You have to love the way they rely on a unnamed many to reinforce their hate of Buddhism. If you understood any of it then you would know why they don't harm others. This is not to say they're not human and unable to defend themselves. It's a path (some may deviate from) to some eventual goal of releasing all karma accumulated throughout their life cycles. This is why they sit around meditating inbetween repetitive tasks. Buddha went out into the world to understand suffering, not to create suffering for others, but instead offer a way out of it. There is no compulsion (for real). |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 14, 2023 13:55:09 GMT
Im sure we all welcome calling a spade a spade and some straight talking but it would help if Braverman got her facts right before speaking . She completely ruined a good story by saying most grooming gangs are Pakistani when clearly that is not the case ,the problem being in reporting and investigating `the crime when it involved Pakistanis under fear of being called out as racist . and how do you know most grooming gangs ate NOT pakistani. Throughout Labour’s time Pakistani child rapists were allowed to carry out their acts unmolested by the police so tgere are no crime logs to show they existed. Whch is why government figures will show they dont exist. All a but self fulfilling really |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 14, 2023 14:01:32 GMT
As I said she ruined a good story ,if she had said that Pakistanis made up the majority of the most serious of offences (type 1) she would of been correct . That she didn't allowed those calling her out an opportunity to bring all child sex offences to the table As I said on another thread the overall rate of sex offences (i.e. those on the sex offenders register) is about 0.1% of the population. It's very low. If you analyse the figures from the various reports about grooming gangs (e.g. the Jay report on Rotherham) you'll see that the rate of CSE offending in the muslim community is vastly higher - more like 15%. The only reasons that this isn't obvious from Home Office data is that 1) police data doesn't record the ethnicity of the offenders and 2) the Police have charged a tiny proportion of the offenders (for fear of offending cultural sensitivities). So the likes of Warsi can hide behind misleading figures. But the in depth reports about these crimes in towns with significant muslim populations make the problems clear. Even a BBC "Enquiry" program reported a case where a girl had been raped and abused by a large number of Pakistani muslims. She agreed to help with the prosecution of the offenders provided she was given police protection. The case went ahead but the police screwed it up and (to cut a long story short) the offenders were acquitted. After the case the police provided no protection for their witness and her abusers broke into her flat and set it on fire. They also attacked the girl and held her hand on a lit gas hob causing severe burns and beat her up. She called the police who came round and took her to hospital. She made a statement of what had happened but the police took no action - EXCEPT to get her sectioned under the mental health act. I suggest you do a bit of reading on this subject before posting crap. These girls have been treated absolutely appallingly. I suggest you actually read what I wrote and more to the point listen to what Braverman said |
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