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Post by Toreador on Apr 2, 2023 7:44:34 GMT
But thats kind of the point. The law on whete they can site these fucking cash generators is specific, thete has to have been a record of fatal, or severe injury crashes where dorrd is a significant contributing factor. Or are you totally ignorant of the rulebook that twat Brunstrom published to justify his cash raising. As a direct result of that document hundreds if cameras were removed. But not this one despite the fact the rules say clearly what qualifies forbit to be thete and bone match. The speed vans' cameras only catch people who are speeding, they do not make it up. If you are speeding you are breaking the law, how you are caught is immaterial, simple. Not always, they don't catch all of them. |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 2, 2023 7:51:38 GMT
But thats kind of the point. The law on whete they can site these fucking cash generators is specific, thete has to have been a record of fatal, or severe injury crashes where dorrd is a significant contributing factor. Or are you totally ignorant of the rulebook that twat Brunstrom published to justify his cash raising. As a direct result of that document hundreds if cameras were removed. But not this one despite the fact the rules say clearly what qualifies forbit to be thete and bone match. Yeah well sitting down glueing yourself to the road is obstructing the highway is breaking the law,simple. However that law breaking is often overlooked or ignored,local authorities are erecting cameras in bus lanes more and more and imposing 20 mph limits that are unlawful too,motorists are seen as an easy source of income. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 9:15:31 GMT
The speed vans' cameras only catch people who are speeding, they do not make it up. If you are speeding you are breaking the law, how you are caught is immaterial, simple. Yeah well sitting down glueing yourself to the road is obstructing the highway is breaking the law,simple. However that law breaking is often overlooked or ignored,local authorities are erecting cameras in bus lanes more and more and imposing 20 mph limits that are unlawful too,motorists are seen as an easy source of income. They are an easy source of income, they keep breaking the law.🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 9:16:44 GMT
The speed vans' cameras only catch people who are speeding, they do not make it up. If you are speeding you are breaking the law, how you are caught is immaterial, simple. Not always, they don't catch all of them. Who said they did, the fact is people do break the law and that is why speed cameras are used. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 2, 2023 9:23:33 GMT
But thats kind of the point. The law on whete they can site these fucking cash generators is specific, thete has to have been a record of fatal, or severe injury crashes where dorrd is a significant contributing factor. Or are you totally ignorant of the rulebook that twat Brunstrom published to justify his cash raising. As a direct result of that document hundreds if cameras were removed. But not this one despite the fact the rules say clearly what qualifies forbit to be thete and bone match. The speed vans' cameras only catch people who are speeding, they do not make it up. If you are speeding you are breaking the law, how you are caught is immaterial, simple. I am in shock Red Rum has actually posted something I agree with  It is down to the driver, rider, if you can't see the signs telling you what the speed limit is you are not paying attention, when the first Gatso Cameras were put in place in early 90's the revenue raised the Government of the day spent that money to pay for other cameras to be put in place across the country. Where they were sighted was down to the Road Safety Experts in conjunction with Local Councils and Police had some input as well accident blackspots all recorded , some will still think it is all about money cash cows milking the drivers and riders, they are there for safety reasons IMHO, it matters not if we argue about where they were sighted , some have been taken out and placed in other locations, one near me has been taken out completely. To dates have covering thousands of miles every year for 50 years I have not had a speeding ticket so far. My best friend was a Traffic Cop working out of Police Traffic Garage in NE London, he patrolled the North Circular, A10, M25 and the lower part of the M11, he was also a fully qualified Accident Investigator called in to investigate suspected fatal accidents or confirmed fatal accidents, first thing he would look at if the driver was still in the car was their footwear when he told me that I thought why ? sounds a daft thing to do. He explained very often due to the sudden impact drivers footwear often came off, from experience he stated , rule of thumb one shoe off possible fatal , two shoes off almost certainly fatal, he dealt with some horrendous accidents basically body parts all over the place, the crash scenes were photographed, skid marks measured , to work out what speed the vehicle or vehicles were doing before they braked hard, etc. Not all blood and gore , he had some very amusing stories as well and how daft some drivers are , the highest speed he caught a car driver doing was over 120 MPH on the A10 then sideways around the roundabout over the M25, another was a moron on a motorbike doing 80mph on narrow road when my mate caught up with the rider could not understand why he was issued with a speeding ticket as he stated its an unrestricted road no speed limit, wrong 60mph . The car driver was done for Dangerous driving he was disqualified from driving for two years and very hefty fine, the Moron on the motorbike argued with the Magistrate there was no speed limit he was disqualified rom driving for a year and haft fine, as my mate said its takes lots of nuts and bolts to put a car together , it only takes one nut behind the wheel to take it apart in seconds. |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 2, 2023 12:19:43 GMT
Not always, they don't catch all of them. Who said they did, the fact is people do break the law and that is why speed cameras are used. But a speed camera does not catch every speedster who passes it. If you're close enough to the camera and go to the camera's blind side by overtaking, the camera won't catch you. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 2, 2023 13:37:44 GMT
Yeah well sitting down glueing yourself to the road is obstructing the highway is breaking the law,simple. However that law breaking is often overlooked or ignored,local authorities are erecting cameras in bus lanes more and more and imposing 20 mph limits that are unlawful too,motorists are seen as an easy source of income. They are an easy source of income, they keep breaking the law.🤣 I tend to agree. If you speed and break the law the penalty is to be expected. I would however agree with others that if one obstructs the King's Highway that is also breaking the law and the penalties should be applied. Also throwing statues into harbours is also breaking the law and that should also have a penalty applied. If it was simple then we would not have a multiplicity of reasons why the law being broken is 'acceptable'. The Solicitors trying to make a 'conscience' issue whether they should prosecute climate protestors should also face some form of sanction as they often use the letter of the law to win their case and they are servants of the law or the citizen in his fight with the law. So the law is the law and should be applied and every individual is only answerable to the law and not to the social mob of either right or left. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 13:44:23 GMT
They are an easy source of income, they keep breaking the law.🤣 I tend to agree. If you speed and break the law the penalty is to be expected. I would however agree with others that if one obstructs the King's Highway that is also breaking the law and the penalties should be applied. Also throwing statues into harbours is also breaking the law and that should also have a penalty applied. If it was simple then we would not have a multiplicity of reasons why the law being broken is 'acceptable'. The Solicitors trying to make a 'conscience' issue whether they should prosecute climate protestors should also face some form of sanction as they often use the letter of the law to win their case and they are servants of the law or the citizen in his fight with the law. So the law is the law and should be applied and every individual is only answerable to the law and not to the social mob of either right or left. I think there is an obvious and clear difference between exceeding the speed limit and putting peoples lives in danger and gluing oneself to the road to highlight an issue that will cause the deaths of millions if not addressed quickly. |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 2, 2023 14:03:03 GMT
From my experience, 20mph is a reasonable speed for roads in central London and around most of the inner London boroughs. The only sneaky thing about speed limits is the way they fluctuate, as if trying to catch out the motorist and boost county hall coffers.
Roads drift in and out of 20 and 30mph, 30 and 40mph, and 40 and 50mph zones without adequate and clear signage. It's the same with bus lanes — some are 24hr, others are 7am to 7pm, or am or pm only. The problem is that they're too often not clearly marked, and the signs are hidden... I disagree on 20mph though do agree in some areas like schools and narrow roads it would be good. If it is pushed too hard those that can will move meaning the rest of you will need to pay higher council tax. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 2, 2023 14:36:27 GMT
I tend to agree. If you speed and break the law the penalty is to be expected. I would however agree with others that if one obstructs the King's Highway that is also breaking the law and the penalties should be applied. Also throwing statues into harbours is also breaking the law and that should also have a penalty applied. If it was simple then we would not have a multiplicity of reasons why the law being broken is 'acceptable'. The Solicitors trying to make a 'conscience' issue whether they should prosecute climate protestors should also face some form of sanction as they often use the letter of the law to win their case and they are servants of the law or the citizen in his fight with the law. So the law is the law and should be applied and every individual is only answerable to the law and not to the social mob of either right or left. I think there is an obvious and clear difference between exceeding the speed limit and putting peoples lives in danger and gluing oneself to the road to highlight an issue that will cause the deaths of millions if not addressed quickly. What exactly should we address first? the ones that do cause the death of millions are the the ones that might? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 14:45:49 GMT
I think there is an obvious and clear difference between exceeding the speed limit and putting peoples lives in danger and gluing oneself to the road to highlight an issue that will cause the deaths of millions if not addressed quickly. What exactly should we address first? the ones that do cause the death of millions are the the ones that might? We should obviously tackle the ones that cause the deaths of millions, I assume you mean the companies adding to global warming and climate change but we should not ignore those that wilfully break the law and say "no ones looking". Why is there a first? |
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Post by patman post on Apr 2, 2023 14:47:25 GMT
From my experience, 20mph is a reasonable speed for roads in central London and around most of the inner London boroughs. The only sneaky thing about speed limits is the way they fluctuate, as if trying to catch out the motorist and boost county hall coffers.
Roads drift in and out of 20 and 30mph, 30 and 40mph, and 40 and 50mph zones without adequate and clear signage. It's the same with bus lanes — some are 24hr, others are 7am to 7pm, or am or pm only. The problem is that they're too often not clearly marked, and the signs are hidden... I disagree on 20mph though do agree in some areas like schools and narrow roads it would be good. If it is pushed too hard those that can will move meaning the rest of you will need to pay higher council tax. There's not many parts of inner London — comprising the City of London, most of Westminster and the inner parts of Camden, Islington, Hackney, Tower Hamlets, Southwark, Lambeth and Kensington and Chelsea — where traffic speeds reach 20mph for most of the day. Outside those hours, I doubt more than 20mph is beneficial to anyone.
However, there are certain arterial roads (eg, A2, A40, A106) where a blanket 20mph limit inside Greater London would likely be counterproductive by bunching vehicles and keeping them on that road for longer than necessary.
Changing limits should be clearly marked — both to warn drivers that higher speeds could be dangerous along that stretch of the roadway, and to stop allegations that speed limits and cameras traps to raise money...
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Post by wapentake on Apr 2, 2023 15:34:49 GMT
I tend to agree. If you speed and break the law the penalty is to be expected. I would however agree with others that if one obstructs the King's Highway that is also breaking the law and the penalties should be applied. Also throwing statues into harbours is also breaking the law and that should also have a penalty applied. If it was simple then we would not have a multiplicity of reasons why the law being broken is 'acceptable'. The Solicitors trying to make a 'conscience' issue whether they should prosecute climate protestors should also face some form of sanction as they often use the letter of the law to win their case and they are servants of the law or the citizen in his fight with the law. So the law is the law and should be applied and every individual is only answerable to the law and not to the social mob of either right or left. I think there is an obvious and clear difference between exceeding the speed limit and putting peoples lives in danger and gluing oneself to the road to highlight an issue that will cause the deaths of millions if not addressed quickly. Ah I see the law is only to be enforced rigorously when you disapprove of an individual’s actions,but if it’s a cause you sympathise with that’s different,hypocrisy at its finest. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 16:09:36 GMT
I think there is an obvious and clear difference between exceeding the speed limit and putting peoples lives in danger and gluing oneself to the road to highlight an issue that will cause the deaths of millions if not addressed quickly. Ah I see the law is only to be enforced rigorously when you disapprove of an individual’s actions,but if it’s a cause you sympathise with that’s different,hypocrisy at its finest. I said there is a difference, I at no time have said that people who cause a public nuisance should not be prosecuted, please stop making things up. |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 2, 2023 16:13:08 GMT
Ah I see the law is only to be enforced rigorously when you disapprove of an individual’s actions,but if it’s a cause you sympathise with that’s different,hypocrisy at its finest. I said there is a difference, I at no time have said that people who cause a public nuisance should not be prosecuted, please stop making things up. No there isn’t,it’s you making things up you want to differentiate between lawbreakers,it was you who said they break the law they get prosecuted. Do you need a hand with those goalposts?  |
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