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Post by Toreador on Apr 2, 2023 16:42:49 GMT
I tend to agree. If you speed and break the law the penalty is to be expected. I would however agree with others that if one obstructs the King's Highway that is also breaking the law and the penalties should be applied. Also throwing statues into harbours is also breaking the law and that should also have a penalty applied. If it was simple then we would not have a multiplicity of reasons why the law being broken is 'acceptable'. The Solicitors trying to make a 'conscience' issue whether they should prosecute climate protestors should also face some form of sanction as they often use the letter of the law to win their case and they are servants of the law or the citizen in his fight with the law. So the law is the law and should be applied and every individual is only answerable to the law and not to the social mob of either right or left. I think there is an obvious and clear difference between exceeding the speed limit and putting peoples lives in danger and gluing oneself to the road to highlight an issue that will cause the deaths of millions if not addressed quickly. Do you drive? Do you buy glue? |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 2, 2023 16:52:06 GMT
What exactly should we address first? the ones that do cause the death of millions are the the ones that might? We should obviously tackle the ones that cause the deaths of millions, I assume you mean the companies adding to global warming and climate change but we should not ignore those that wilfully break the law and say "no ones looking". Why is there a first? Not particularly, I mean should we concentrate on things that actually do kill millions or those of the mind that might or might not as nobody actually knows. The difference between reality and perceived reality. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 17:01:07 GMT
I said there is a difference, I at no time have said that people who cause a public nuisance should not be prosecuted, please stop making things up. No there isn’t,it’s you making things up you want to differentiate between lawbreakers,it was you who said they break the law they get prosecuted. Do you need a hand with those goalposts?  The two things are different and both need prosecuting, what planet are you on. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 17:01:58 GMT
I think there is an obvious and clear difference between exceeding the speed limit and putting peoples lives in danger and gluing oneself to the road to highlight an issue that will cause the deaths of millions if not addressed quickly. Do you drive? Do you buy glue? I do drive, legally. I do buy glue, legally. What's your point? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 17:03:07 GMT
We should obviously tackle the ones that cause the deaths of millions, I assume you mean the companies adding to global warming and climate change but we should not ignore those that wilfully break the law and say "no ones looking". Why is there a first? Not particularly, I mean should we concentrate on things that actually do kill millions or those of the mind that might or might not as nobody actually knows. The difference between reality and perceived reality. So by concentrating on those that kill millions, you accept criminality in other spheres? |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 2, 2023 17:06:32 GMT
Not particularly, I mean should we concentrate on things that actually do kill millions or those of the mind that might or might not as nobody actually knows. The difference between reality and perceived reality. So by concentrating on those that kill millions, you accept criminality in other spheres? How does that work then? I am all ears. |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 2, 2023 17:14:17 GMT
No there isn’t,it’s you making things up you want to differentiate between lawbreakers,it was you who said they break the law they get prosecuted. Do you need a hand with those goalposts? The two things are different and both need prosecuting, what planet are you on. Obviously not the planet hypocrisy and no they’re not different that’s the point. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 2, 2023 17:21:29 GMT
I tend to agree. If you speed and break the law the penalty is to be expected. I would however agree with others that if one obstructs the King's Highway that is also breaking the law and the penalties should be applied. Also throwing statues into harbours is also breaking the law and that should also have a penalty applied. If it was simple then we would not have a multiplicity of reasons why the law being broken is 'acceptable'. The Solicitors trying to make a 'conscience' issue whether they should prosecute climate protestors should also face some form of sanction as they often use the letter of the law to win their case and they are servants of the law or the citizen in his fight with the law. So the law is the law and should be applied and every individual is only answerable to the law and not to the social mob of either right or left. I think there is an obvious and clear difference between exceeding the speed limit and putting peoples lives in danger and gluing oneself to the road to highlight an issue that will cause the deaths of millions if not addressed quickly. You are moving adherence to the law into the realm of subjective opinion. One could hold the opinion that speeding at 40 in a 30 puts no one's life at risk with the overall conditions at the time in that specific area. That is not acceptable as the law is active at all times and in all areas. Gluing oneself to a road to highlight an issue that one believe's, if unaddressed, will result in the death of millions is still breaking the law as regards the King's Highway and the law should be applied. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 2, 2023 17:25:02 GMT
No there isn’t,it’s you making things up you want to differentiate between lawbreakers,it was you who said they break the law they get prosecuted. Do you need a hand with those goalposts? The two things are different and both need prosecuting, what planet are you on. The two things are the law of the land the breaking of which holds particular penalties. A driver has little defence as regards speeding, the gluing brigade seem to get offered cups of tea. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 21:49:26 GMT
The only people to 'moan' about the tactics used by the police to catch people breaking the laws are those that break the laws. But this becomes problematical when some laws are widely regarded as an ass. Policing by consent means enforcing laws with the support of the public. When it comes to speeding, most people broadly support the law when the speed limits seem appropriate for the road. But the constant war on speed waged by the sort of people in authority who eat muesli and tofu and ride to work on bicycles does quite frequently manifest as exceptionally low speed limits for some roads. This of course results in more people breaking them. Which is precisely why these are the favoured spots for police camera vans because they catch more people breaking the excessively low speed limits. And perhaps that is the whole point? Employing underhand tactics under these circumstances will simply create more ill will between people and authority. And it is not unreasonable to ask whether such financial resources would not be better spent enforcing laws that barely get investigated anymore, like burglary. |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 2, 2023 22:01:26 GMT
So by concentrating on those that kill millions, you accept criminality in other spheres? How does that work then? I am all ears.Didnt know you were related to the king. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 22:04:42 GMT
Logic says that the Speedo indicates faster speeds as the tyres wear. I've been told that at police discretion, a speeding ticket will be issued if the vehicle is travelling faster than 10% plus 2mph over the limit. I haven't knowingly tested this... I was doing about 80 on a duel carriageway when I came across a speed camera van. This undoubtedly saw me before I had time to react to it and slow down to 70. Yet I never got done for speeding as a result. Quite probably my speedo was over-calibrated so my actual speed was probably lower than 80. Was probably well over 70 though which suggests leeway. I too have heard that my local force - Devon and Cornwall police - operate a 10 percent plus 2mph leeway. That would mean your actual speed would need to exceed 79mph to fall foul. My own experience tends to suggest that this leeway is real. Different police forces operating different rules is potentially a bit of a problem re consistency. It hardly ever affects me since I very rarely travel outside of the jurisdiction of my local force. Have actually only done so three times in the last ten years. But for anyone who regularly travels long distances, different forces operating different rules is surely a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 6:45:55 GMT
Not particularly, I mean should we concentrate on things that actually do kill millions or those of the mind that might or might not as nobody actually knows. The difference between reality and perceived reality. So by concentrating on those that kill millions, you accept criminality in other spheres? No, why are you lying? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 6:48:02 GMT
I think there is an obvious and clear difference between exceeding the speed limit and putting peoples lives in danger and gluing oneself to the road to highlight an issue that will cause the deaths of millions if not addressed quickly. You are moving adherence to the law into the realm of subjective opinion. One could hold the opinion that speeding at 40 in a 30 puts no one's life at risk with the overall conditions at the time in that specific area. That is not acceptable as the law is active at all times and in all areas. Gluing oneself to a road to highlight an issue that one believe's, if unaddressed, will result in the death of millions is still breaking the law as regards the King's Highway and the law should be applied. One could argue that but one could also argue that a kid behind a car is not going to run into the road. I have not said the law should not be applied to people who glue themselves to the road. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 6:49:10 GMT
The two things are different and both need prosecuting, what planet are you on. The two things are the law of the land the breaking of which holds particular penalties. A driver has little defence as regards speeding, the gluing brigade seem to get offered cups of tea. When have they been offered cups of tea, are you related to Johnson? |
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