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Post by oracle75 on Apr 1, 2023 8:12:04 GMT
Instead of your usual two note chant returning everything to slogans and simple minded antagonisms, how about discussing the realities I mentioned.
I dont see this block as competition or some directly comparable response to the EU. Nor do i see it as the answer to the UK's prayers.
Most of the members of the CPwhatever are developing countries. At its best it will take a generation to lift them out of relative poverty by trade though they may improve their technology faster.
One of my cautions is the interest China is showing in joining and their increased access to communications and and to other technical developments we are trying to keep away from China.
And if China doesnt join, it already has influence in weaker member countries who can be persuaded to sell information.
My instinctual preference is for the devil you know and where you have a voice and an element of control. I feel this is a UK political jump into the unknown with no guarantees of security.
My idealistic side would love global free trade but it is not possible when wages are so disparate.
Ironically I expect the UK will again invest in the poorer countries of this group and use low wage labour.
I would be delighted if this makes any difference to the future wealth of the UK. I suspect it will merely create problems where there were none. But we shall see.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 1, 2023 9:04:40 GMT
Instead of your usual two note chant returning everything to slogans and simple minded antagonisms, how about discussing the realities I mentioned. I dont see this block as competition or some directly comparable response to the EU. Nor do i see it as the answer to the UK's prayers. Most of the members of the CPwhatever are developing countries. At its best it will take a generation to lift them out of relative poverty by trade though they may improve their technology faster. One of my cautions is the interest China is showing in joining and their increased access to communications and and to other technical developments we are trying to keep away from China. And if China doesnt join, it already has influence in weaker member countries who can be persuaded to sell information. My instinctual preference is for the devil you know and where you have a voice and an element of control. I feel this is a UK political jump into the unknown with no guarantees of security. My idealistic side would love global free trade but it is not possible when wages are so disparate. Ironically I expect the UK will again invest in the poorer countries of this group and use low wage labour. I would be delighted if this makes any difference to the future wealth of the UK. I suspect it will merely create problems where there were none. But we shall see. You won't be delighted at all. If you really supported the UK you would stop singing from the hymn book of the remnants and cite it word for word. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 1, 2023 10:59:38 GMT
Dont you dare tell me what i think.
Better to discuss the points I made.
That is, of course, if you can.
As usual you dont discuss politics. You content your self with calling people names because they dont agree with you.
How very simple.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 1, 2023 13:25:19 GMT
Dont you dare tell me what i think. Better to discuss the points I made. That is, of course, if you can. As usual you dont discuss politics. You content your self with calling people names because they dont agree with you. How very simple. I don't think you've made a valid point worth responding to Kim. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 1, 2023 15:26:11 GMT
"Kim" isnt heere.
And you too havent addresswd the points i made but as usual, contented yourself with ad homs any child could use.
How about discussing the details of this new sunlit upland instead?
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Post by Bentley on Apr 1, 2023 15:49:40 GMT
The EU allowed a huge swath of poor countries to join the EU . I don’t expect hundreds of thousands of poor Vietnamese to wash up on our shores undermining wages and working conditions any time soon.
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Post by patman post on Apr 1, 2023 17:01:09 GMT
The EU allowed a huge swath of poor countries to join the EU . I don’t expect hundreds of thousands of poor Vietnamese to wash up on our shores undermining wages and working conditions any time soon. There are already many thousands of Vietnamese in the UK — for instance, Vietnamese is the second most spoken language in Lewisham — and they don't appear to be causing much trouble... |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 1, 2023 17:13:22 GMT
The EU allowed a huge swath of poor countries to join the EU . I don’t expect hundreds of thousands of poor Vietnamese to wash up on our shores undermining wages and working conditions any time soon. There are already many thousands of Vietnamese in the UK — for instance, Vietnamese is the second most spoken language in Lewisham — and they don't appear to be causing much trouble... You missed the point there so I’ll change it to Peru |
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Post by patman post on Apr 1, 2023 17:16:14 GMT
There are already many thousands of Vietnamese in the UK — for instance, Vietnamese is the second most spoken language in Lewisham — and they don't appear to be causing much trouble... You missed the point there so I’ll change it to Peru That's Paddington Bear territory.
There may actually be thousands more Paddington Bears in the UK, than Vietnamese...
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Post by Bentley on Apr 1, 2023 17:48:33 GMT
You missed the point there so I’ll change it to Peru That's Paddington Bear territory.
There may actually be thousands more Paddington Bears in the UK, than Vietnamese...
If they are made in Vietnamese factories, they may technically be considered Vietnamese . Scary thought . |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 1, 2023 19:31:17 GMT
"Kim" isnt heere. And you too havent addresswd the points i made but as usual, contented yourself with ad homs any child could use. How about discussing the details of this new sunlit upland instead? Why would anyone want to? |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 1, 2023 21:29:09 GMT
The EU allowed a huge swath of poor countries to join the EU . I don’t expect hundreds of thousands of poor Vietnamese to wash up on our shores undermining wages and working conditions any time soon. Indeed. They get trafficked in container lorries and left to die in UK ports. Yoy dont get it do you. Human trafficking is GLOBAL. And The UK has for years used far Eastern cheap labour . How do you think places like Primark can sell two tee shirts for a fiver? So now with this new CPTTPPTCPT thing that is going to be baked into the UK economy. Of course the government thinks it is a wonderful idea. It is open to data theft, information corruption, lack of legal recourse in itself...the WTO will have to deal with disputes, there will be lack of standards of quality and workers' rights human trafficking and cheap labour. At least none of that will blow back into the EU where such things are illegal. Other than that, good luck. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 1, 2023 22:11:04 GMT
The EU allowed a huge swath of poor countries to join the EU . I don’t expect hundreds of thousands of poor Vietnamese to wash up on our shores undermining wages and working conditions any time soon. Indeed. They get trafficked in container lorries and left to die in UK ports. Yoy dont get it do you. Human trafficking is GLOBAL. And The UK has for years used far Eastern cheap labour . How do you think places like Primark can sell two tee shirts for a fiver? So now with this new CPTTPPTCPT thing that is going to be baked into the UK economy. Of course the government thinks it is a wonderful idea. It is open to data theft, information corruption, lack of legal recourse in itself...the WTO will have to deal with disputes, there will be lack of standards of quality and workers' rights human trafficking and cheap labour. At least none of that will blow back into the EU where such things are illegal. Other than that, good luck. You don't know what you're talking about. Canada, Australia and Japan must be paying a heavy price for this then. Not. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 1, 2023 23:16:08 GMT
And you know this how?
The "club" has only been operating for a couple of years, under an unelected and largely unknown committee.
This year the chaircis from Singapore.
Next year it will be New Zealand.
Who decided that? Who are these people? What are their powers? How does lawmaking happen?
Your endless kevetching about lack of transparency and democracy in the EU which was not true and you dont seem to care a jot about this trade bloc with seems to generate its own laws with no voice from anyone.
AND WITH ABSOLUTELY NO REFERENDUM FROM THE PUBLIC.
All you care about is that it isnt the EU.
It really is evidence of rhe usual "I just click my heels and salute" because the government tells me how wonderful it will be.
Good. Since the UK already has a trade deal with 9 of the 11 members, operating in different cultures open to corruption as a matter of course, and where cheap labour will feed the UK markets, best of luck.
If it benefits the UK with8n my lifetime, then well done.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 1, 2023 23:34:12 GMT
And you know this how? The "club" has only been operating for a couple of years, under an unelected and largely unknown committee. This year the chaircis from Singapore. Next year it will be New Zealand. Who decided that? Who are these people? What are their powers? How does lawmaking happen? Your endless kevetching about lack of transparency and democracy in the EU which was not true and you dont seem to care a jot about this trade bloc with seems to generate its own laws with no voice from anyone. AND WITH ABSOLUTELY NO REFERENDUM FROM THE PUBLIC. All you care about is that it isnt the EU. It really is evidence of rhe usual "I just click my heels and salute" because the government tells me how wonderful it will be. Good. Since the UK already has a trade deal with 9 of the 11 members, operating in different cultures open to corruption as a matter of course, and where cheap labour will feed the UK markets, best of luck. If it benefits the UK with8n my lifetime, then well done. It's a trade deal you moron. Not a political union that demands nation state democracies to cede law making and swathes of power to an authoritative regime. |
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