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Post by sheepy on Mar 30, 2023 8:01:39 GMT
I keep on asking the same questions over and over again - the same questions that the opposition asks WHY is there a colossal backlog of asylum applications, why are asylum applications taking so long, why is there not a "Fast-track" for applicants from countries with no war or turmoil such as Albania, where applicants can be quickly turned down, and the applicants sent back. I have no problem with using former military camps, applicants should be held in secure, safe, humaine conditions until the process is complete, we need to account for the whereabouts of applicants, but we also need to treat them as human beigns, not animals or criminals. The government is playing Culture Wars instead of addressing the issues, they ARE using language reminiscent of the 1930s, talking about "minimum conditions" and "the most basic conditions allowed under international law". The Tories have no answers, and instead they are Rabble Rousing, you can almost see the Torch and Pickfork brigade So why do you support every policy which harms the electorate more than it ever releases them from political clutches Sidney? Why are you so anti-freedom for British people? While you support a whole army of criminals in their midst? |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 30, 2023 8:13:45 GMT
jonksy ... "The irony of using bases built built to defend the borders of the UK.........It shouldn't be about finding places for them to stay it should be about sending them back...that's the solution!........What next when these establishments are full ?" Its you and the wankers you support who are the problem.....FSS you can't have it both ways. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This kind of thinking is part of the problem, you cannot send anyone back unless or until application for asylum is assessed and considered. International law states that a person CAN apply for asylum in this country, but in order to do so, the refugee has to claim asylum on British soil to an official - think about that. If the British government implements a law which states that everyone who enters England without proper passport checks is illegal, and therefore cannot apply for asylum, the question then is .... HOW DOES A PERSON APPLY FOR ASYLUM IN THE UK. ? If the UK is in contravention of international law, then its likely that the government will be taken to court. You also cannot come up with the usual tripe, that they are all here because they think Britain is a "soft touch", or that they are all illegal economic migrants, some are, but some are not, and thats why they need properly assesing. The problem is still the fact that the government and the authorities are taking far too long to assess applications, which is why the numbers are building up, and why more and more places are been sought to house the applicants. Turning the boats around is not a solution, sending all of them back is not a solution, the solution is to follow proper due process and accept the application, deal with it, and then send the failed applicants back and accept genuine applicants, but dont take forever to do it. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 30, 2023 8:15:49 GMT
I keep on asking the same questions over and over again - the same questions that the opposition asks WHY is there a colossal backlog of asylum applications, why are asylum applications taking so long, why is there not a "Fast-track" for applicants from countries with no war or turmoil such as Albania, where applicants can be quickly turned down, and the applicants sent back. I have no problem with using former military camps, applicants should be held in secure, safe, humaine conditions until the process is complete, we need to account for the whereabouts of applicants, but we also need to treat them as human beigns, not animals or criminals. The government is playing Culture Wars instead of addressing the issues, they ARE using language reminiscent of the 1930s, talking about "minimum conditions" and "the most basic conditions allowed under international law". The Tories have no answers, and instead they are Rabble Rousing, you can almost see the Torch and Pickfork brigade There is a ‘colossal backlog’ because tony blair opened tbe fucking floodgates, and his bitch funds a programme of training lawyers to fuck with every attempt to sort it out. If you had a spouse working in the immigration tribunal busness as mine did until one of tbe cunts gave the entire courtroom Covid, killing two and nearly killing me, you would know this. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 8:20:09 GMT
sheepy ... "So why do you support every policy which harms the electorate more than it ever releases them from political clutches Sidney? Why are you so anti-freedom for British people? While you support a whole army of criminals in their midst?"
One of the cornerstones of "Freedom" is to adhere to, and uphold international law, in particular such laws and treaties concerning the treatment of human beings.
We are party to the United Nations Convention for Refugees, we did agree that a person can claim asylum in this country, as is the case in most civilised countries.
So the question is - if we agreed, if we signed on the dotted line, why is our government now saying that a person CANNOT claim asylum in this country. ?
To get around any problem, its best to do so by staying within the law, and within the legal framework, otherwise you will end up been on the wrong side of the law.
Yes - I agree 100% that many "Asylum Seekers" are not asylum seekers, probably all Albanians for a start off, and yes I agree that we cannot take in everyone who wants to come and live here. But any solution must involve (A) keeping within our agreed international obligations, and (B) properly assessing applicants in order to separate genuine applicants from economic migrants.
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Post by sheepy on Mar 30, 2023 8:26:50 GMT
sheepy ... "So why do you support every policy which harms the electorate more than it ever releases them from political clutches Sidney? Why are you so anti-freedom for British people? While you support a whole army of criminals in their midst?"One of the cornerstones of "Freedom" is to adhere to, and uphold international law, in particular such laws and treaties concerning the treatment of human beings. We are party to the United Nations Convention for Refugees, we did agree that a person can claim asylum in this country, as is the case in most civilised countries. So the question is - if we agreed, if we signed on the dotted line, why is our government now saying that a person CANNOT claim asylum in this country. ? To get around any problem, its best to do so by staying within the law, and within the legal framework, otherwise you will end up been on the wrong side of the law. Yes - I agree 100% that many "Asylum Seekers" are not asylum seekers, probably all Albanians for a start off, and yes I agree that we cannot take in everyone who wants to come and live here. But any solution must involve (A) keeping within our agreed international obligations, and (B) properly assessing applicants in order to separate genuine applicants from economic migrants. Then any fool can see the so called International law is an arse, which by the way Governments around the world completely ignore when it suits. Not that I am even convinced International law is the problem, but how it is being used as an excuse. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 8:26:54 GMT
The Tories haven't got a clue what they are doing.🤣
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Post by Toreador on Mar 30, 2023 8:31:46 GMT
The Tories haven't got a clue what they are doing.🤣 And your party is not in aposition to do anything.  |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 30, 2023 9:22:56 GMT
The Tories haven't got a clue what they are doing.🤣 And your party is not in aposition to do anything. Whats far more to the point is their position is to do sod all except open the fucking floodgates. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 30, 2023 9:25:42 GMT
The governments entire policy on illegal immigration and asylum is in complete and utter dissaray Tonight we learn that 66 unaccompanied children have gone missing from just one local authority, Brighton, after disappearing from a hotel. This is after a government minister 2 months ago admitted that 200 unacompanied children had gone missing, and that government has "no idea" just how many unacompanied children have disappeared. Meanwhile Tory MPs, frightened of their jobs, are now lining up to protest at government proposals to place asylum seekers in THEIR constituenies, including Sir Edward Leigh who claims that using a semi-redundant RAF base is unsuitable. What the Tories are doing is a combination of kowtowing to NIMBYS and xenophobes, whilst at the same time failing to have any credible solutions to a problem. So we should keep them in a secure enclosure? Wouldn’t the lefties start whining about concentration camps? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 9:31:50 GMT
Article 31 (1) ... Of the International Convention of Refugees ( Geneva 1951)
prohibits the penalisation of refugees (including asylum seekers) for offences of unlawful entry and presence
So could some supporter of this government please explain how their new immigration policy of making it ilegal to cross the Channel in order to claim asylum, will, in future, bar any such person from claiming asylum. ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 9:50:24 GMT
The Tories haven't got a clue what they are doing.🤣 This was obvious to many of us years ago, except unfortunately a huge mass of idiot pensioners who keep voting for them. 60 percent of pensioners last time. No intention on my part of smearing the other 40 percent who display a bit more nous. But the Tories would not have won the last election were it not for the pensioner vote. It is that 60 percent of mean spirited and idiotic pensioners whom we the working age population are feather bedding, who are thanking us by inflicting these corrupt bastards on us. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 30, 2023 9:56:15 GMT
The Tories haven't got a clue what they are doing.🤣 This was obvious to many of us years ago, except unfortunately a huge mass of idiot pensioners who keep voting for them. 60 percent of pensioners last time. No intention on my part of smearing the other 40 percent who display a bit more nous. But the Tories would not have won the last election were it not for the pensioner vote. It is that 60 percent of mean spirited and idiotic pensioners whom we the working age population are feather bedding, who are thanking us by inflicting these corrupt bastards on us. Are you saying the old members should not have a pension that they have paid for all their working lives? Bizarre to the extreme. So what's your answer the final solution maybe? |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 30, 2023 10:04:12 GMT
Article 31 (1) ... Of the International Convention of Refugees ( Geneva 1951)prohibits the penalisation of refugees (including asylum seekers) for offences of unlawful entry and presenceSo could some supporter of this government please explain how their new immigration policy of making it ilegal to cross the Channel in order to claim asylum, will, in future, bar any such person from claiming asylum. ? If they don't claim asylum within a reasonable time of arrival, they're illegal immigrants.......and don't come back with the question "What is reasonable?" |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 30, 2023 10:09:24 GMT
Article 31 (1) ... Of the International Convention of Refugees ( Geneva 1951)prohibits the penalisation of refugees (including asylum seekers) for offences of unlawful entry and presenceSo could some supporter of this government please explain how their new immigration policy of making it ilegal to cross the Channel in order to claim asylum, will, in future, bar any such person from claiming asylum. ? If they don't claim asylum within a reasonable time of arrival, they're illegal immigrants.......and don't come back with the question "What is reasonable?" Which is why they suddenly changed their status from illegal immigrants, which is actually what they are, while read carefully, it is a constant attack on the British people, who they then turn up and expect your vote, pensioners are the latest attack victims, easy prey. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 30, 2023 10:21:01 GMT
The illegal migrants and the people traffickers are using the weakness in law to exploit the UK. They are being aided and abetted by resident lefties .
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