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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 28, 2023 15:42:30 GMT
Democracy labour style... Well hang on a moment. Do you (or anyone else here) know what it takes to get selected as a mainstream party candidate ? Long ago when i was perhaps more naive than i should have been i helped a mate get on labour’s list. Back then interns were unheard of, the party gave you the unedifying task of standing as the labour candidate in henley on thames to ‘show willing’ The authorisation of a candidate as an official candidate of a particular party can only be done by one person, the person registered with the electoral commission as the national nominating officer for that party. It is perhaps worth stating that some parties have procedures for candidate selection that are far less ‘democratic’ than others. For example when the Brexit Party was launched, it was launched as a political party comprised of two categories of members, the first being those persons appointed to hold office as director of a particular private company limited by guarantee, the second and lessor in terms of rights being those persons successfully elected to public office. Anyone can register their interest as a SUPPORTER of the party but NO ONE save the directors of the said private company limited by guarantee and thus not subject to rules of share ownership can set the rules by which the party operates. No member of the public may expect a vote on any issue of party politics, membership or governance. Why create such a structure ? Well it’s obvious really. The labour party and tory party members vote on who leads them, who can joun them or be ejected, who gets selected as a candidate etc The Brexit Party has none of that. A small group decide everything and one person alone has total control of who can stand for election to public office |
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Post by see2 on Mar 28, 2023 16:05:22 GMT
So true. Never forget what Starmer supported. Corbyn is the same now as he was then, but times, political assessments and allegiances have changed since then, and there is nothing new about that. Only the biased ignore the facts. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 16:11:48 GMT
Corbyn got a higher percentage of the than Blair, you should read the post before commenting. im not a grammar nazi by any stretch of the imagination , but you should write a proper sentence before replying to peoples posts.
What do you mean corbyn got a higher percentage than tony blair?
Corbyns 2017 narrow defeat saw him gather less votes than blair did in 1997. Corbyns massive defeat saw him gather less votes in 2019 , than blair did in 2001 in his infamous lowest post war electoral turnout for a uk Ge.
So what are you talking about?
And? So did i and many others , but the man is still scum , and the vote dumb to keep out dumber is thankfully no longer a serious aspiration among many of the modern clued up electorate across the uk.
good for you. So what are we disagreeing about?
Corbyn did better than Blair. It's just a fact. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 28, 2023 16:13:05 GMT
If and when Labour wins next election is this going to be what the Labour-government is like? Infighting and division between the wings. Remember that Corbyn was a party member in the Blair government. He did a lot of criticising but carried no credibility at that time. Infighting has always been the case but not always with the same level of publicity, it almost certainly is the same in almost every other Party as well. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 28, 2023 16:22:26 GMT
In 2019, Labour won 202 seats, their lowest number since 1935. that is factually correct. What is incorrect is the laying of blame at corbyns door , when we all know despite corbyns faults , the blame lay fair and square behind starmers brexit in name only strategy of pissing on the 62 % labour constituencies that voted brexit in 2016.
If blairism was so fucking popular as you hint at , why did the blairties lose in 2010 and 2015 , including ultra right wing blairite jim murphy losing 40/41 labour seats in scotland?
Corbyn had many faults , and wasnt my cuppa tea , but blaming him , a traditional ardent brexiter opposed to the EU historically for starmers disasterous BRINO strategy for labour in GE2019 is of course just more of the same old warped shite you and yours come out with on this and other forums.
If you are a middle england tory , why vote for a red tory like the inept starmer when you can have the real thing?
1. Makes no sense. 2. Anyone with more than a single brain knows 2010 election only just lost on the misinformation put out about the 2008 meltdown. 3. Pure opinion. If Starmer had that much influence on voters, he would already be PM. 4. If you had any idea as to what you are posting about you would not ask such a ridiculous question. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 28, 2023 16:28:09 GMT
im not a grammar nazi by any stretch of the imagination , but you should write a proper sentence before replying to peoples posts.
What do you mean corbyn got a higher percentage than tony blair?
Corbyns 2017 narrow defeat saw him gather less votes than blair did in 1997. Corbyns massive defeat saw him gather less votes in 2019 , than blair did in 2001 in his infamous lowest post war electoral turnout for a uk Ge.
So what are you talking about?
And? So did i and many others , but the man is still scum , and the vote dumb to keep out dumber is thankfully no longer a serious aspiration among many of the modern clued up electorate across the uk.
good for you. So what are we disagreeing about?
Corbyn did better than Blair. It's just a fact. Corbyn did nothing, he couldn't even get elected. the only thing he accomplished was that he got the fewest seats in parliament than any other post war Labour leader, and that took some doing. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 28, 2023 16:28:38 GMT
Thank you. I do not like Starmer, I think he is a slimy chancer much like a Tory I the only way to get rid of the Tories is to vote Labour, I will vote Labour. They have nearly destroyed this country in the last 13 years. A Labour government would have done more or less the same as the Tories, with one or two notable exceptions: A Labour government would: Impose an even higher tax burden than the Tories have (According to the IFS) Locked us down sooner and for longer during covid (Starmer called for this) Be far more subservient to the EU. Welcome even more illegals from the EU. Adopt even more woke minority appeasing politically correct policies. (Dont forget, Starmer doesn't know what a woman is) Increase the foreign aid budget from £11.5 billion to £14 billion. (Lammy 'vowed' a future Labour government would do this) Introduce a 32 hour week while forcing employers to pay employees for a 40 hour week. Introduce more draconian net zero policies that will damage the economy even more. Etc etc et al. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 28, 2023 17:15:09 GMT
im not a grammar nazi by any stretch of the imagination , but you should write a proper sentence before replying to peoples posts.
What do you mean corbyn got a higher percentage than tony blair?
Corbyns 2017 narrow defeat saw him gather less votes than blair did in 1997. Corbyns massive defeat saw him gather less votes in 2019 , than blair did in 2001 in his infamous lowest post war electoral turnout for a uk Ge.
So what are you talking about?
And? So did i and many others , but the man is still scum , and the vote dumb to keep out dumber is thankfully no longer a serious aspiration among many of the modern clued up electorate across the uk.
good for you. So what are we disagreeing about?
Corbyn did better than Blair. It's just a fact. LOL, like I said, you're a natural. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2023 17:20:28 GMT
linkCorbyn did better than Blair. It's just a fact. LOL, like I said, you're a natural. According to our non-learned friend Boris was/is hard right FFS. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 28, 2023 17:27:27 GMT
that is factually correct. What is incorrect is the laying of blame at corbyns door , when we all know despite corbyns faults , the blame lay fair and square behind starmers brexit in name only strategy of pissing on the 62 % labour constituencies that voted brexit in 2016.
If blairism was so fucking popular as you hint at , why did the blairties lose in 2010 and 2015 , including ultra right wing blairite jim murphy losing 40/41 labour seats in scotland?
Corbyn had many faults , and wasnt my cuppa tea , but blaming him , a traditional ardent brexiter opposed to the EU historically for starmers disasterous BRINO strategy for labour in GE2019 is of course just more of the same old warped shite you and yours come out with on this and other forums.
If you are a middle england tory , why vote for a red tory like the inept starmer when you can have the real thing?
2. Anyone with more than a single brain knows 2010 election only just lost on the misinformation put out about the 2008 meltdown. Then you dont even have that brain cell.
Labours vote share in the scottish parliament declined every election up to the last under sarwar in 21 . That included three elections of decline under tony blair up to and including the election that saw the snp as the minority government in 2007 , a year prior to the banking crash.
So your financial crash nonsense doesnt explain labours catastrophic decline in scotland , which began long before either corbyn or the 2008 crash.
As for westmsinter elections in scotland , despite you bleating about lies in the tory press about labours mishandling of the economy in 2008 , brown actually increased labours vote share in scottish westmisnter constituencies despite losing the election overall across the ukin GE2010.
So your bleating incessantly about the banking crash is of course a nonsense.
It was in 2015 , long after most folk had long forgotten labours disasterous tenure in charge of the uk economy that blairite jim murphy lost scotland .
Wailing incessantly about corbyn and the 2008 crash doesnt cut it . Thankfully though , as long as the new labour dimiwts keep telling themselves it was everyone elses fault they consistently lost elections post 2007 in scotland , and from 2010 onwards uk wide , the happier us new labour haters will be.
If starmer doesnt win this time , i wonder what the latest excuse for new labours failure will be?
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Post by thomas on Mar 28, 2023 17:32:07 GMT
im not a grammar nazi by any stretch of the imagination , but you should write a proper sentence before replying to peoples posts.
What do you mean corbyn got a higher percentage than tony blair?
Corbyns 2017 narrow defeat saw him gather less votes than blair did in 1997. Corbyns massive defeat saw him gather less votes in 2019 , than blair did in 2001 in his infamous lowest post war electoral turnout for a uk Ge.
So what are you talking about?
And? So did i and many others , but the man is still scum , and the vote dumb to keep out dumber is thankfully no longer a serious aspiration among many of the modern clued up electorate across the uk.
good for you. So what are we disagreeing about?
Corbyn did better than Blair. It's just a fact. Link doesnt work mate.
you need to quantify how corbyn did better than blair. In terms of actually winning elections , blair three corbyn nil.
In terms of actual votes , again blair two corbyn nil (1999 beat 2017 , 2001 beat 2019 )
Corbyn wasnt my cup of tea red , but i would have preffered him to blair , and i actually feared him more than blair and his henchmen from a scottish perspective.
....but making up fantasy about corbyn as the glorious failure just wont wash red. A bit like john smith , another non entity labour figure famous for doing nothing except passing away ( sadly of course).
Typical labour. Canonising failure.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 28, 2023 17:52:22 GMT
LOL, like I said, you're a natural. According to our non-learned friend Boris was/is hard right FFS. Sounds about right. Btw, Corbyn is standing as an independent. At least, he said he has no intention of giving up the fight. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 28, 2023 17:55:48 GMT
According to our non-learned friend Boris was/is hard right FFS. Sounds about right. Btw, Corbyn is standing as an independent. At least, he said he has no intention of giving up the fight. Which would be the obvious thing he would do, the Labour party no longer need him, they have a token or two Lefties who are much more bendable. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 28, 2023 18:06:10 GMT
Sounds about right. Btw, Corbyn is standing as an independent. At least, he said he has no intention of giving up the fight. Which would be the obvious thing he would do, the Labour party no longer need him, they a token or two Lefties who are much more bendable. I think he is probably fairly confident of being re-elected, I mean he has been MP for Islington North since 1983, that's forty years ffs. Personally I think he is mad as a box of frogs, but his constituents clearly like him. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 28, 2023 18:21:55 GMT
Which would be the obvious thing he would do, the Labour party no longer need him, they a token or two Lefties who are much more bendable. I think he is probably fairly confident of being re-elected, I mean he has been MP for Islington North since 1983, that's forty years ffs. Personally I think he is mad as a box of frogs, but his constituents clearly like him. That says a lot about his Constituents   |
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