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Post by vlk on Mar 28, 2023 12:49:20 GMT
If and when Labour wins next election is this going to be what the Labour-government is like? Infighting and division between the wings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 12:54:34 GMT
So true. Never forget what Starmer supported.
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Post by thomas on Mar 28, 2023 12:59:37 GMT
Starmer is nothing more than a Tory in sheep's clothing. . that is factually correct. What is incorrect is the laying of blame at corbyns door , when we all know despite corbyns faults , the blame lay fair and square behind starmers brexit in name only strategy of pissing on the 62 % labour constituencies that voted brexit in 2016.
If blairism was so fucking popular as you hint at , why did the blairties lose in 2010 and 2015 , including ultra right wing blairite jim murphy losing 40/41 labour seats in scotland?
Corbyn had many faults , and wasnt my cuppa tea , but blaming him , a traditional ardent brexiter opposed to the EU historically for starmers disasterous BRINO strategy for labour in GE2019 is of course just more of the same old warped shite you and yours come out with on this and other forums.
If you are a middle england tory , why vote for a red tory like the inept starmer when you can have the real thing?
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Post by thomas on Mar 28, 2023 13:09:26 GMT
So true. Never forget what Starmer supported. starmer is a weather vane who blows in any direction.
What i will say is the stars seemed to align for labour recently , with the yousaf debacle and the unhappiness of tory members with sunak. Now?#
Recent polls are all suggesting labours once unassailable polling lead has been cut massivly showing how brittle the support for starmer and his latest reincarnation of new labour really is.
If labour cant win westmisnter at the next election , and take back a healthy amount of seats in scotland , you do have to ask yourself what exactly is the point of them?
End march 2023 , and still the two elephants in the room the labour party cant get to grips with is brexit and scot indy.
Not to mention many other issues they are trying to keep quiet about....for now anyway....
GB-wide voting intentions for next general election (17th-20th March 2023):
Labour 45% (-5)
Conservatives 35% (+8)
Liberal Democrats 7% (-2)
This is beginning to feel a little bit less like the run-up to the 1997 election. In other words, although Labour are justifiably strong favourites to win next year's general election, it's possible to see a path back for the Tories in a way that wasn't really the case in the 1990s.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 28, 2023 13:14:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 13:35:03 GMT
Starmer is nothing more than a Tory in sheep's clothing. LOL, you're a natural. Thank you. I do not like Starmer, I think he is a slimy chancer much like a Tory I the only way to get rid of the Tories is to vote Labour, I will vote Labour. They have nearly destroyed this country in the last 13 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 13:37:43 GMT
Starmer is nothing more than a Tory in sheep's clothing. Nonsense, It is just the case that Starmer isn't just a blind hard-left lets do our best to continue polishing the opposition benches where we can do nothing for working people in this country. That's the conclusion staring people in the face when they look at the history of Old Labour in terms of time spent in office. In the period between 1951 and 2010: Conservatives in office for 35years. Old Labour in office for 11. New Labour in office for 13 years. In 2019, Labour won 202 seats, their lowest number since 1935. Is that a fact? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 13:38:31 GMT
Starmer is nothing more than a Tory in sheep's clothing.   Not quite what you think, Eh? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 13:39:26 GMT
More a sheep in Tory clothing Quite. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 13:40:12 GMT
If and when Labour wins next election is this going to be what the Labour-government is like? Infighting and division between the wings. Probably, just like the Tories. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 13:43:58 GMT
In 2019, Labour won 202 seats, their lowest number since 1935. that is factually correct. What is incorrect is the laying of blame at corbyns door , when we all know despite corbyns faults , the blame lay fair and square behind starmers brexit in name only strategy of pissing on the 62 % labour constituencies that voted brexit in 2016.
If blairism was so fucking popular as you hint at , why did the blairties lose in 2010 and 2015 , including ultra right wing blairite jim murphy losing 40/41 labour seats in scotland?
Corbyn had many faults , and wasnt my cuppa tea , but blaming him , a traditional ardent brexiter opposed to the EU historically for starmers disasterous BRINO strategy for labour in GE2019 is of course just more of the same old warped shite you and yours come out with on this and other forums.
If you are a middle england tory , why vote for a red tory like the inept starmer when you can have the real thing?
Corbyn got a higher percentage of the than Blair, you should read the post before commenting. I supported Blair as a Labour voter, only to keep out the Tories, I objected to many of his policies and wrote to his office condemning the war in Iraq. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 28, 2023 13:45:08 GMT
ratatatatatatatatat
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Post by thomas on Mar 28, 2023 14:43:47 GMT
that is factually correct. What is incorrect is the laying of blame at corbyns door , when we all know despite corbyns faults , the blame lay fair and square behind starmers brexit in name only strategy of pissing on the 62 % labour constituencies that voted brexit in 2016.
If blairism was so fucking popular as you hint at , why did the blairties lose in 2010 and 2015 , including ultra right wing blairite jim murphy losing 40/41 labour seats in scotland?
Corbyn had many faults , and wasnt my cuppa tea , but blaming him , a traditional ardent brexiter opposed to the EU historically for starmers disasterous BRINO strategy for labour in GE2019 is of course just more of the same old warped shite you and yours come out with on this and other forums.
If you are a middle england tory , why vote for a red tory like the inept starmer when you can have the real thing?
Corbyn got a higher percentage of the than Blair, you should read the post before commenting. im not a grammar nazi by any stretch of the imagination , but you should write a proper sentence before replying to peoples posts.
What do you mean corbyn got a higher percentage than tony blair?
Corbyns 2017 narrow defeat saw him gather less votes than blair did in 1997. Corbyns massive defeat saw him gather less votes in 2019 , than blair did in 2001 in his infamous lowest post war electoral turnout for a uk Ge.
So what are you talking about?
And? So did i and many others , but the man is still scum , and the vote dumb to keep out dumber is thankfully no longer a serious aspiration among many of the modern clued up electorate across the uk.
good for you. So what are we disagreeing about?
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Post by thomas on Mar 28, 2023 14:48:41 GMT
yep.
Good post. This is the man telling people he is going to make brexit work.
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Post by thomas on Mar 28, 2023 15:17:53 GMT
Nonsense, It is just the case that Starmer isn't just a blind hard-left lets do our best to continue polishing the opposition benches where we can do nothing for working people in this country. That's the conclusion staring people in the face when they look at the history of Old Labour in terms of time spent in office. In the period between 1951 and 2010: Conservatives in office for 35years. Old Labour in office for 11. New Labour in office for 13 years. In 2019, Labour won 202 seats, their lowest number since 1935. Is that a fact? going by this it is....
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