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Stage 2.
Mar 29, 2023 6:44:07 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 29, 2023 6:44:07 GMT
Do you have any stats to back up your point?
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 29, 2023 6:48:18 GMT
In terms of how many are genuine asylum seekers - well currently about 70% are successful. Is that because our criteria is set too losely, or because most of those coming here are genuine AS could indeed be a query, as that figure is slightly higher than other comparable nations.  The UK’s issued asylum approvals at three times that of France (72% compared with 25%) in 2021 |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 29, 2023 7:31:32 GMT
They are refugees and your take on asylum seekers hampers the cause of the true people who are genuinly afraid of losing their lives. Tell me how many of those who enter our shores illegaly try and fit in and be a benefit to our country? There was a language barrier when the Ukrainians first came in but they have adopeted our language and customs and have taken the bother to learn English and they work for a living and expect nothing for free allthough may of them had lost everything in their endevour to get out of harms way of the russian's. They are welcomed into the community down here just as the Poles were in WW2. Just up the road from me there is a young Unkranian girl who was traing as a Doctor before putin invaded their land and next month she is returning to the Ukrain to sit her final exams and will be fully qualified to work in the NHS. If we had a NHS that was run by those who are no more than chancers she would be able to sit for her finals in the UK. You make some reasonable points there. I don't want them coming here, living in hotels and getting handouts. I'd much prefer them to able to work and integrate with society too. I think we're in agreement there. In terms of how many are genuine asylum seekers - well currently about 70% are successful. Is that because our criteria is set too losely, or because most of those coming here are genuine AS could indeed be a query, as that figure is slightly higher than other comparable nations. So you think Moslems will integrate, by and large they haven't done so far. How about they shelved their mosque building programme and used the money to build houses? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 29, 2023 7:46:33 GMT
[quote author=" andrewbrown " How do you calculate 'fair share' Indeed. An incredibly politically fraught concept. For instance, my evaluation would be that our 'fair share' is zero and anything we (or any other nation) do beyond that is benevolence beyond the normal call of duty. This reframes the issue back to being about the charity a nation is willing, or feels, capable of providing. This would be in stark contrast to the position of Andrew or Red Rum who, as far as I can see, what to see western nations collapsed (attacked) by an unavoidable liability. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 29, 2023 8:10:41 GMT
You make some reasonable points there. I don't want them coming here, living in hotels and getting handouts. I'd much prefer them to able to work and integrate with society too. I think we're in agreement there. In terms of how many are genuine asylum seekers - well currently about 70% are successful. Is that because our criteria is set too losely, or because most of those coming here are genuine AS could indeed be a query, as that figure is slightly higher than other comparable nations. So you think Moslems will integrate, by and large they haven't done so far. How about they shelved their mosque building programme and used the money to build houses? Half the frigging mosques in this country are built whithout planning permission....Try building a church in any of their sitholes they call countries. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 29, 2023 8:58:14 GMT
So you think Moslems will integrate, by and large they haven't done so far. How about they shelved their mosque building programme and used the money to build houses? Half the frigging mosques in this country are built whithout planning permission....Try building a church in any of their sitholes they call countries. Exactly, the hosts have become the invited guests to their own party. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 29, 2023 13:53:25 GMT
Here's a typical example of Labour.. Angela Rayner fumes rapists 'allowed to roam streets' on Dominic Raab's watch This is coming from someone who is trying to block the government from stopping criminal rapists, who are entering the UK as illegal migrants. This is the double standard hypocrisy you will be voting for if you vote Labour. www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/angela-rayner-fumes-rapists-allowed-29579440 |
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Post by Steve on Mar 29, 2023 17:22:13 GMT
You make some reasonable points there. I don't want them coming here, living in hotels and getting handouts. I'd much prefer them to able to work and integrate with society too. I think we're in agreement there. In terms of how many are genuine asylum seekers - well currently about 70% are successful. Is that because our criteria is set too losely, or because most of those coming here are genuine AS could indeed be a query, as that figure is slightly higher than other comparable nations. So you think Moslems will integrate, by and large they haven't done so far. How about they shelved their mosque building programme and used the money to build houses? FFS you either know full well that that's not true and are lying for sus reasons or you are extraordinarily gullible and believe all that BNP shit. Integration isn't assimilation as you seem to demand. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 29, 2023 17:29:56 GMT
So you think Moslems will integrate, by and large they haven't done so far. How about they shelved their mosque building programme and used the money to build houses? FFS you either know full well that that's not true and are lying for sus reasons or you are extraordinarily gullible and believe all that BNP shit. Integration isn't assimilation as you seem to demand. Is that why they want separate segregated schools, places of worship, don't want to acknowledge or recognise UK Christianity, including Easter, Christmas traditions, yes that's really respecting and integrating in the customs and traditions of your 'HOST' country.
Imagine the hostility that we would receive if we went to their country and disrespected their customs and traditions, it would be the last you ever heard from us.
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Stage 2.
Mar 29, 2023 17:31:08 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 29, 2023 17:31:08 GMT
You make some reasonable points there. I don't want them coming here, living in hotels and getting handouts. I'd much prefer them to able to work and integrate with society too. I think we're in agreement there. In terms of how many are genuine asylum seekers - well currently about 70% are successful. Is that because our criteria is set too losely, or because most of those coming here are genuine AS could indeed be a query, as that figure is slightly higher than other comparable nations. So you think Moslems will integrate, by and large they haven't done so far. How about they shelved their mosque building programme and used the money to build houses? Come and live in Coventry. We have a very large Sikh community, and a smaller Muslim Community. We tend to not have too many issues here. There have been issues earlier this year up in Leicester, and the communities worked hard to stop them from spreading. To say that Muslims don't integrate is at the very least disingenuous. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 29, 2023 17:33:36 GMT
FFS you either know full well that that's not true and are lying for sus reasons or you are extraordinarily gullible and believe all that BNP shit. Integration isn't assimilation as you seem to demand. Is that why they want separate segregated schools, places of worship, don't want to acknowledge or recognise UK Christianity, including Easter, Christmas traditions, yes that's really respecting and integrating in the customs and traditions of your 'HOST' country.
Imagine the hostility that we would receive if we went to their country and disrespected their customs and traditions, it would be the last you ever heard from us.
Have you ever had a Muslim tell you that you can't celebrate Christmas or Easter? My guess is no... |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 29, 2023 17:37:00 GMT
So you think Moslems will integrate, by and large they haven't done so far. How about they shelved their mosque building programme and used the money to build houses? FFS you either know full well that that's not true and are lying for sus reasons or you are extraordinarily gullible and believe all that BNP shit. Integration isn't assimilation as you seem to demand. Integration is not assimilation but it does mean that the barriers that prevent assimilation have been taken down. We can hardly say that has happened at all. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 29, 2023 17:39:04 GMT
Is that why they want separate segregated schools, places of worship, don't want to acknowledge or recognise UK Christianity, including Easter, Christmas traditions, yes that's really respecting and integrating in the customs and traditions of your 'HOST' country.
Imagine the hostility that we would receive if we went to their country and disrespected their customs and traditions, it would be the last you ever heard from us.
Have you ever had a Muslim tell you that you can't ,celebrate Christmas or Easter? My guess is no... They'll sell all Christmas decorations and whatnot to make money, but that doesn't mean they celebrate it, but of course you're going to tell us they do, and you don't hold much credence when especially after thinking you were doing a 'put me down' over me saying there were only 3 syllables in the word everyone, and you insisting there were 4, to which you still owe me a apology .... LOL |
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Stage 2.
Mar 29, 2023 17:56:10 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 29, 2023 17:56:10 GMT
No, Muslims don't celebrate Christmas and Easter.
You do realise that there is a difference between them not celebrating and them stopping you from celebrating, right?
That is what you claimed in your previous post.
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 29, 2023 18:01:24 GMT
No, Muslims don't celebrate Christmas and Easter. You do realise that there is a difference between them not celebrating and them stopping you from celebrating, right? That is what you claimed in your previous post. I actual said they don't "integrate", refuting what Steve said that they do, you don't want to go down the same road of making a fool of yourself again do you?
It is become a habit.
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