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Post by Orac on Mar 24, 2023 20:18:41 GMT
..and attempting to have a police force representative of the population it serves does not seem unreasonable if it means one less knife in the back for the vast majority of officers. On your main point - it is not unreasonable only as far as having such doesn't interfere with / reduce the function of the police. As soon as it goes beyond that point and starts doing so, it becomes extremely unreasonable. I would say reasonable measures would include targeted job adverts and unreasonable measures would include bending (corrupting) recruitment and promotion processes. Additionally, the idea of having a police that is 'representative' of the population isn't really particularly sound in itself. I would say it is dubious and open to exploitation |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 20:24:26 GMT
What has that got to do with the comment you responded to? Incidentally, my son applied to join the Dorset Constabulary. Hardly a hotbed of racial tension I would have thought. Although this was 7 or 8 years ago, so maybe things in Dorset have changed, for the worse. I'm sorry, but I have no idea why your son was refused an interview. What i do know is no one told him it was so a black man could have the job. www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/19952702.dozens-extra-police-officers-dorset/He was told that all places for white entrants had been taken and invited to reapply in two years time. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 24, 2023 20:27:09 GMT
It is proving they have engaged in it to the extent that they will lose their career that becomes the issue. They may call a man a black man and he shouts racism as he is a person of colour, they may call a person sir and find that he is a self defined woman. They raid a British white man's house and trample all over his fireside rug and nothing happens they raid another man and trample all over his rug he calls it a prayer mat and they have to not only eat humble pie but are taken to task for not observing just one of the plethora of cultural niceities that are causing havoc with morale. Your confusing police authorities with left wing snowflakes. I would think there is quite a large area of overlap. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 20:47:15 GMT
sorry I was just sticking to the OP and thread title. I'm sure you know more about the recruitment process then I do. All I would add is that at the moment there are enough reasons to slag off the police and attempting to have a police force representative of the population it serves does not seem unreasonable if it means one less knife in the back for the vast majority of officers. All you seem to want to do is undermine the force by making blanket statements of condemnation which plays right into the hands of those very same activists that want to undermine the police force by making blanket statements.....see the problem....! Apologies unnecessary, I know nothing about the police recruitment process other than what I read and the fact that my son, a privileged white hetrosexual male, didn't meet their diversity criteria. As for 'slagging off the police', I have always been pro cop as I'm sure the majority of law abiding people are, or were. However, my opinion of the police right now has never been lower. In the past couple of years we have seen the police kneeling for BLM, homosexual police officers on duty in uniform in the street attempting to choke each other with their tongues. Police officers in uniform dancing at gay pride events, wearing rainbow helmets and driving rainbow cars. The police are supposed to be professional and impartial, if I were involved in an argument with a gay man and a copper in a rainbow helmet turned up, how impartial do you think he would be? The police are making themselves look like woke bloody fools which is why public confidence in the police has never been lower. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 24, 2023 20:52:22 GMT
..and attempting to have a police force representative of the population it serves does not seem unreasonable if it means one less knife in the back for the vast majority of officers. On your main point - it is not unreasonable only as far as having such doesn't interfere with / reduce the function of the police. As soon as it goes beyond that point and starts doing so, it becomes extremely unreasonable. I would say reasonable measures would include targeted job adverts and unreasonable measures would include bending (corrupting) recruitment and promotion processes. Additionally, the idea of having a police that is 'representative' of the population isn't really particularly sound in itself. I would say it is dubious and open to exploitation sure and one could go further than that. At some point though there has to be a release of pressure so that public scrutiny moves on otherwise it just gets worse and if diversity is one thing then so be it...its not such an outlandish concept and is normal now in most industries.....I mean shit.... show me any large company that doesn't publish an ESG report! Anyway, as the report says there is no functional mechanism in place for that so personally I'm not buying into that blanket narrative....yet....that said I agree as long as training and operational integrity is not compromised. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 24, 2023 21:21:58 GMT
sure and one could go further than that. At some point though there has to be a release of pressure so that public scrutiny moves on otherwise it just gets worse and if diversity is one thing then so be it The pressure from the public is to provide policing as an antidote to crime in return from their money. You must mean pressure from the media? Like i said - if you distort recruiting or promotion, you are damaging the core purpose of the police for a dubious purpose. ...its not such an outlandish concept and is normal now in most industries.....I mean shit.... show me any large company that doesn't publish an ESG report! Many private companies are applying and advertising a fashionable racism, I just don't think it's an effective way to run something important - like the police, or the Raf. Btw the ESG thing seems to be gradually folding as the costs become evident. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 24, 2023 21:24:27 GMT
I know you live in fables but even you can't have missed the racism of the Met. Frankly, I doubt you know your arse from a hole in the ground. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 24, 2023 21:54:57 GMT
How much more specific do you need that culturally trying to mix oil and water is a recipe for disaster. Separation is continuous and problematic for where the many interact. Laws are made to enforce acceptance and that can never be a good thing. In what way is this cultural mixing causing the Met to behave as they are? Give me examples of this cultural oil and water leading to violence. Both my London based businesses employ a mix of ethnicities, they are all friends blind to colour, culture and religion. So show me examples of this mix that's destroying London. That's how specific. Because officers in the Met also have cultural identities. All your workmates get on well because they interact mainly with people that are like minded employees. I have worked in London with a company that was not at all shy of its employment of a diverse staff and in the main there was no problem. There were the occasional chip on the shoulder brigade that most others of all groups ignored. However the Met officers are not dealing with workmates they are dealing with people of different cultures in frequently tense situations who frequently make their hatred of the uniform known and if different cultures are involved that can easily be seen, and articulated, as discrimination by the police. My wife's cousin was a Met officer he was part South Sea Islander and his take was that the different cultures had different outlooks as regards every day manners and that difference was frequently manifested as obvious antipathy. A police officer pointing out bad manners to someone is a racist action. Why do Muslims kneel and pray in the city streets to the disadvantage of all other cultures, because it makes a statement. If you did not understand the statues and memorials vandalism are to do with cultures unable to tolerate another culture then there is little help for you. Or that a white man being beaten up by black men because he was accused of being EDL is just an isolated incident and that the major news reports were not as regards a racist violent crime but how a black man rescued him. I know these will not be specific enough for you but then I suppose nothing ever will be. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 24, 2023 21:57:34 GMT
Yes. The Casey report (rightly) identifies poor management at the root of many of the issues - the same management that will now attempt (and fail) to solve those issues. It's chip wrappers already. Nothing will change.
Edit: Actually scratch that - things will probably get worse as the management withdraws even more resources from the front line in order to do the never ending job of political correction.
There will be more police policing the police than policing the streets.
I know you live in fables but even you can't have missed the racism of the Met. Of the Met or in the Met. Not the same thing. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 24, 2023 22:47:51 GMT
sure and one could go further than that. At some point though there has to be a release of pressure so that public scrutiny moves on otherwise it just gets worse and if diversity is one thing then so be it You must mean pressure from the media? Like i said - if you distort recruiting or promotion, you are damaging the core purpose of the police for a dubious purpose. ...its not such an outlandish concept and is normal now in most industries.....I mean shit.... show me any large company that doesn't publish an ESG report! Many private companies are applying and advertising a fashionable racism, I just don't think it's an effective way to run something important - like the police, or the Raf. Btw the ESG thing seems to be gradually folding as the costs become evident.
yeah right.....you'd think....but like everything....its required to be done on the cheap so there has to be a management of expectations...just like the NHS....the police force is just the same. It's under funded, under valued pretty much under everything. As an institution it is operating on a shoe string; it's operating on a managed cusp of collapse, balanced so it doesn't quite tip into a total abyssal tailspin.
We can have as much policing as we can afford. The trouble is as a country we can't afford that much... so what we have got needs to be managed so it's failings don't become election losing issues...since diversity and woke culture, and that wank, are the political buzz words of the moment, that's going to be one of the main points of focus of the message management. My point being is that if all we are going to get is the best policing we can afford then we may as well make sure that those officers we do get aren't being constantly blasted with blanket condemnations of being institutionally (whatever the fuck that means) racist which they are not....anyway....
Oh yeah and if you think this ESG stuff is going out of fashion...it ain't...!!
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 25, 2023 1:20:20 GMT
I know you live in fables but even you can't have missed the racism of the Met. Frankly, I doubt you know your arse from a hole in the ground. LOL. As an aside, I like ZG. Yes he's an insufferable lefty, but he's not nasty, even though he's a lefty he means well. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 25, 2023 4:02:41 GMT
And the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Post by Orac on Mar 25, 2023 9:13:08 GMT
We can have as much policing as we can afford. The trouble is as a country we can't afford that much... so what we have got needs to be managed so it's failings don't become election losing issues...since diversity and woke culture, and that wank, are the political buzz words of the moment, that's going to be one of the main points of focus of the message management. My point being is that if all we are going to get is the best policing we can afford then we may as well make sure that those officers we do get aren't being constantly blasted with blanket condemnations of being institutionally (whatever the fuck that means) racist which they are not....anyway.... I can't see why the public can't have whatever it wants (within the constraints of what is feasible within budget). If the public massively prioritises dealing with crime (and they do) then the management can be disciplined / removed for wasting public resources prioritising something else. The woke thing should be viewed as a corruption issue |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 25, 2023 9:17:29 GMT
Frankly, I doubt you know your arse from a hole in the ground. LOL. As an aside, I like ZG. Yes he's an insufferable lefty, but he's not nasty, even though he's a lefty he means well. Thank you Red. I also like you, even though you're an delusional righty  Squeezy certainly knows where his arse is, he talks out of it most of the time. Off out painting now. I'll be back to entertain you all later. (Let them know will you Red.) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 10:05:51 GMT
sorry I was just sticking to the OP and thread title. I'm sure you know more about the recruitment process then I do. All I would add is that at the moment there are enough reasons to slag off the police and attempting to have a police force representative of the population it serves does not seem unreasonable if it means one less knife in the back for the vast majority of officers. All you seem to want to do is undermine the force by making blanket statements of condemnation which plays right into the hands of those very same activists that want to undermine the police force by making blanket statements.....see the problem....! Apologies unnecessary, I know nothing about the police recruitment process other than what I read and the fact that my son, a privileged white hetrosexual male, didn't meet their diversity criteria. As for 'slagging off the police', I have always been pro cop as I'm sure the majority of law abiding people are, or were. However, my opinion of the police right now has never been lower. In the past couple of years we have seen the police kneeling for BLM, homosexual police officers on duty in uniform in the street attempting to choke each other with their tongues. Police officers in uniform dancing at gay pride events, wearing rainbow helmets and driving rainbow cars. The police are supposed to be professional and impartial, if I were involved in an argument with a gay man and a copper in a rainbow helmet turned up, how impartial do you think he would be? The police are making themselves look like woke bloody fools which is why public confidence in the police has never been lower. I would suggest that confidence in the police has never been lower due to their inability to respond to so many crimes due to under resourcing, and to poor recruitment and vetting procedures letting in too many bad people. That one serving police officer used his power to abduct, rape and murder an innocent young woman probably does rather more to undermine confidence in the police than one wearing a rainbow hat. Likewise one being convicted of multiple rapes and sexual assaults, and another proving to be married to a major local drug dealer. |
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