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Post by zanygame on Mar 24, 2023 18:26:51 GMT
Yes. The Casey report (rightly) identifies poor management at the root of many of the issues - the same management that will now attempt (and fail) to solve those issues.It's chip wrappers already. Nothing will change.
Edit: Actually scratch that - things will probably get worse as the management withdraws even more resources from the front line in order to do the never ending job of political correction.
There will be more police policing the police than policing the streets.
..that's probably not far off the mark...I would venture that most managers are more focused on promotion and would try and avoid confrontational situations in case it screws up career progression?
I don't know....I think that unfortunately there have always been abhorent police officers and no end of vetting will stop that - one of the issues I understand is that forces do not share information on disciplinary issues - so if you have an officer that undergoes an internal disciplinary procedure or a complaint dealt with “locally” the officer can then transfer to another force and that disciplinary information does not transfer with them - so maybe having a centralised database is a starting point? I would tentatively suggest that the starting point is recognising patterns of behavior.
I sort of agree with this. There will always be abhorrent police officers but if they are allowed to get away with it they encourage good officers to leave and more abhorrent officers to join. So yes weak management is almost certainly the primary cause for the place we find ourselves.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 18:42:25 GMT
We are in complete agreement. There is indeed something very wrong with a selection process that prioritises applicants based on skin colour and ethnicity, rather than ability. Diversity quotas are a race to the bottom. have a look at pages 73-74 of the report...it seems it would like to reflect the diversity of London's population but doesn't have a plan in place to do so....
Chapter 9 points out....
Smoke & mirrors. The Met are not the only police force in the country to lower entry standards for black and minority ethnic applicants, in fact in order to hit Khan's 'ambitious' (lol) diversity quotas the Met have lowered entry standards (For BAME) twice, and diversity quotas were still not being hit. So what's the answer, lower the bar even more obviously. Just last month residency rules for BAME police applicants were scrapped just as they were for the armed forces, which means police applicants no longer have to be UK residents for at least 5 years. Which means Abdul of no fixed abode and who can barley string together a coherent sentence in English, would have his application fast tracked and would be earmarked for superintendent within five years or his superiors are racists. Diversity is a race to the bottom, and if I were a white Brit copper, I'd be looking at the Australian offer very closely indeed. This minority appeasing country has gone to the dogs.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 24, 2023 18:46:54 GMT
LOL, not exactly Pat. But I am reminded of high profile cases in which police officers from ethnic minorities have done what comes natural. For instance a brief glance courtesy of google uncovers this lot, and we both know there are plenty more. Please google individual names: PC Rasvinder Agalliu PC Kashif Mahmood PC Shareen Kashif PC Inga Gherghel (A serving Met police officer who was Married to a Romanian gangster. Diversity targets must be met) PC Wahid Husman PC Amjad Ditta PC Tahsib Majid Of course some corrupt police officers are white English or IC1. But the prison population suggests, some ethnic minorities are very overrepresented when it comes to criminality. Racism is not just white people picking on black people, that's just more common because there are more white people. But Racism can be Hindu on Muslim (awaits the obvious answer) Black on white. The issue is that the police above anyone else should not engage in this and if they do should be dismissed.It is proving they have engaged in it to the extent that they will lose their career that becomes the issue. They may call a man a black man and he shouts racism as he is a person of colour, they may call a person sir and find that he is a self defined woman. They raid a British white man's house and trample all over his fireside rug and nothing happens they raid another man and trample all over his rug he calls it a prayer mat and they have to not only eat humble pie but are taken to task for not observing just one of the plethora of cultural niceities that are causing havoc with morale.
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Post by Orac on Mar 24, 2023 18:47:00 GMT
Yes. You can see where this goes in the US, with some local administrations effectively legalising shoplifting and even quite serious crimes involving violence. Part of the process being the police are politically hijacked or neutered ,using the 'I have a bee in my bonnet' techniques illustrated by Zany Yeah those poor American police, it takes 5 man hours to drag a black man from his car and beat him to death. No wonder they don't have time to be civilised. Usual thoughtless knee jerking. Part of my point is that the police are (in parts) a malfunctioning institution
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Post by zanygame on Mar 24, 2023 19:09:42 GMT
Racism is not just white people picking on black people, that's just more common because there are more white people. But Racism can be Hindu on Muslim (awaits the obvious answer) Black on white. The issue is that the police above anyone else should not engage in this and if they do should be dismissed.It is proving they have engaged in it to the extent that they will lose their career that becomes the issue. They may call a man a black man and he shouts racism as he is a person of colour, they may call a person sir and find that he is a self defined woman. They raid a British white man's house and trample all over his fireside rug and nothing happens they raid another man and trample all over his rug he calls it a prayer mat and they have to not only eat humble pie but are taken to task for not observing just one of the plethora of cultural niceities that are causing havoc with morale. Your confusing police authorities with left wing snowflakes.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 24, 2023 19:10:18 GMT
Yeah those poor American police, it takes 5 man hours to drag a black man from his car and beat him to death. No wonder they don't have time to be civilised. Usual thoughtless knee jerking. Part of my point is that the police are (in parts) a malfunctioning institution Reply like with like.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 19:14:51 GMT
LOL, not exactly Pat. But I am reminded of high profile cases in which police officers from ethnic minorities have done what comes natural. For instance a brief glance courtesy of google uncovers this lot, and we both know there are plenty more. Please google individual names: PC Rasvinder Agalliu PC Kashif Mahmood PC Shareen Kashif PC Inga Gherghel (A serving Met police officer who was Married to a Romanian gangster. Diversity targets must be met) PC Wahid Husman PC Amjad Ditta PC Tahsib Majid Of course some corrupt police officers are white English or IC1. But the prison population suggests, some ethnic minorities are very overrepresented when it comes to criminality. Racism is not just white people picking on black people, that's just more common because there are more white people. But Racism can be Hindu on Muslim (awaits the obvious answer) Black on white. The issue is that the police above anyone else should not engage in this and if they do should be dismissed.I'll tell you what else racism is ZG. Racism is an applicant being told his application will go no further because diversity quotas must be met, and he is white.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 24, 2023 19:17:49 GMT
Racism is not just white people picking on black people, that's just more common because there are more white people. But Racism can be Hindu on Muslim (awaits the obvious answer) Black on white. The issue is that the police above anyone else should not engage in this and if they do should be dismissed.I'll tell you what else racism is ZG. Racism is an applicant being told his application will go no further because diversity quotas must be met, and he is white. You've just been told that this is not happening in reality.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 19:20:09 GMT
I'll tell you what else racism is ZG. Racism is an applicant being told his application will go no further because diversity quotas must be met, and he is white. You've just been told that this is not happening in reality. My son applied to join the police, he was told that all places for white entrants had been taken and was invited to reapply in two years time. He didn't even get an interview because he had white skin.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 24, 2023 19:23:08 GMT
You've just been told that this is not happening in reality. My son applied to join the police, he was told that all places for white entrants had been taken and was invited to reapply in two years time. He didn't even get an interview because he had white skin. Yes the Met are overrun with Black officers all 3.3% of them.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 19:26:43 GMT
My son applied to join the police, he was told that all places for white entrants had been taken and was invited to reapply in two years time. He didn't even get an interview because he had white skin. Yes the Met are overrun with Black officers all 3.3% of them. What has that got to do with the comment you responded to? Incidentally, my son applied to join the Dorset Constabulary. Hardly a hotbed of racial tension I would have thought. Although this was 7 or 8 years ago, so maybe things in Dorset have changed, for the worse.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 24, 2023 19:56:08 GMT
Yes the Met are overrun with Black officers all 3.3% of them. What has that got to do with the comment you responded to? Incidentally, my son applied to join the Dorset Constabulary. Hardly a hotbed of racial tension I would have thought. Although this was 7 or 8 years ago, so maybe things in Dorset have changed, for the worse. I'm sorry, but I have no idea why your son was refused an interview. What i do know is no one told him it was so a black man could have the job. www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/19952702.dozens-extra-police-officers-dorset/
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 24, 2023 19:58:53 GMT
have a look at pages 73-74 of the report...it seems it would like to reflect the diversity of London's population but doesn't have a plan in place to do so....
Chapter 9 points out....
Smoke & mirrors. The Met are not the only police force in the country to lower entry standards for black and minority ethnic applicants, in fact in order to hit Khan's 'ambitious' (lol) diversity quotas the Met have lowered entry standards (For BAME) twice, and diversity quotas were still not being hit. So what's the answer, lower the bar even more obviously. Just last month residency rules for BAME police applicants were scrapped just as they were for the armed forces, which means police applicants no longer have to be UK residents for at least 5 years. Which means Abdul of no fixed abode and who can barley string together a coherent sentence in English, would have his application fast tracked and would be earmarked for superintendent within five years or his superiors are racists. Diversity is a race to the bottom, and if I were a white Brit copper, I'd be looking at the Australian offer very closely indeed. This minority appeasing country has gone to the dogs.
sorry I was just sticking to the OP and thread title.
I'm sure you know more about the recruitment process then I do. All I would add is that at the moment there are enough reasons to slag off the police and attempting to have a police force representative of the population it serves does not seem unreasonable if it means one less knife in the back for the vast majority of officers. All you seem to want to do is undermine the force by making blanket statements of condemnation which plays right into the hands of those very same activists that want to undermine the police force by making blanket statements.....see the problem....!
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Post by Bentley on Mar 24, 2023 20:01:37 GMT
I had a friend who worked for the police but wasn’t a copper. His son managed to get the job because of him and a long stint at being a special. White , heterosexual males were not particularly welcome apparently but a few were taken on .
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