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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 24, 2023 10:34:30 GMT
I now have a vision of Zany in a bonnet. Little Red Riding Zany lol Zany uses the magic axe of vagueness. For instance, the statement "The police are racist" doesn't in itself mean anything much. There may be a real functional problem or there may not, but the words don't tell you that. However, the vagueness of the claim means that the job of political correction is never done and never fixes anything. I think we are now getting to the 'falling apart entirely' stage with some of our institutions Yes. The Casey report (rightly) identifies poor management at the root of many of the issues - the same management that will now attempt (and fail) to solve those issues. It's chip wrappers already. Nothing will change.
Edit: Actually scratch that - things will probably get worse as the management withdraws even more resources from the front line in order to do the never ending job of political correction.
There will be more police policing the police than policing the streets.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 10:49:42 GMT
Agalliu is an Albanian name. And the reality is, the wokerati will still demand more diversity.
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Post by patman post on Mar 24, 2023 14:17:23 GMT
Agalliu is an Albanian name. And the reality is, the wokerati will still demand more diversity. So your theory is that Met's corruption and failings are largely down to officers and their spouses of foreign origin...?
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 15:03:43 GMT
Agalliu is an Albanian name. And the reality is, the wokerati will still demand more diversity. So your theory is that Met's corruption and failings are largely down to officers and their spouses of foreign origin... LOL, not exactly Pat. But I am reminded of high profile cases in which police officers from ethnic minorities have done what comes natural. For instance a brief glance courtesy of google uncovers this lot, and we both know there are plenty more. Please google individual names: PC Rasvinder Agalliu PC Kashif Mahmood PC Shareen Kashif PC Inga Gherghel (A serving Met police officer who was Married to a Romanian gangster. Diversity targets must be met) PC Wahid Husman PC Amjad Ditta PC Tahsib Majid Of course some corrupt police officers are white English or IC1. But the prison population suggests, some ethnic minorities are very overrepresented when it comes to criminality.
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Post by patman post on Mar 24, 2023 15:58:44 GMT
You offer seven names — we’re advised there may well be over 100 officers under review.
I don’t know the names of those or their ethnicities, but if so many make into the police, surely there’s something radically wrong with the selection procedures and vetting…
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 24, 2023 16:25:56 GMT
Little Red Riding Zany lol Zany uses the magic axe of vagueness. For instance, the statement "The police are racist" doesn't in itself mean anything much. There may be a real functional problem or there may not, but the words don't tell you that. However, the vagueness of the claim means that the job of political correction is never done and never fixes anything. I think we are now getting to the 'falling apart entirely' stage with some of our institutions Yes. The Casey report (rightly) identifies poor management at the root of many of the issues - the same management that will now attempt (and fail) to solve those issues.It's chip wrappers already. Nothing will change.
Edit: Actually scratch that - things will probably get worse as the management withdraws even more resources from the front line in order to do the never ending job of political correction.
There will be more police policing the police than policing the streets.
..that's probably not far off the mark...I would venture that most managers are more focused on promotion and would try and avoid confrontational situations in case it screws up career progression?
I don't know....I think that unfortunately there have always been abhorent police officers and no end of vetting will stop that - one of the issues I understand is that forces do not share information on disciplinary issues - so if you have an officer that undergoes an internal disciplinary procedure or a complaint dealt with “locally” the officer can then transfer to another force and that disciplinary information does not transfer with them - so maybe having a centralised database is a starting point? I would tentatively suggest that the starting point is recognising patterns of behavior.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 24, 2023 16:29:14 GMT
Agalliu is an Albanian name. And the reality is, the wokerati will still demand more diversity. So your theory is that Met's corruption and failings are largely down to officers and their spouses of foreign origin...
Well, in a roundabout way, that's what the Casey report found pat.
Because after decades of "Diversity" and "Inclusivity" the Met is apparently worse than it was when it was made up largely of white, heterosexual British men.
I'm not sure that Baroness Casey would put it quite like that, but that's essentially what her report is saying.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 24, 2023 16:36:42 GMT
Agalliu is an Albanian name. And the reality is, the wokerati will still demand more diversity. So your theory is that Met's corruption and failings are largely down to officers and their spouses of foreign origin...
Part of the problem is that the police were once there to uphold the law, however now they have to care about feelings and historic oppression and as per Mcpherson have to treat victims, perpetrators and suspects differently dependant on what ethnicity they believe they are dealing with, what gender they are told they are dealing with and what allowances have to be made for cultures.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 16:54:44 GMT
You offer seven names — we’re advised there may well be over 100 officers under review. I don’t know the names of those or their ethnicities, but if so many make into the police, surely there’s something radically wrong with the selection procedures and vetting… We are in complete agreement. There is indeed something very wrong with a selection process that prioritises applicants based on skin colour and ethnicity, rather than ability. Diversity quotas are a race to the bottom.
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 24, 2023 17:44:34 GMT
You offer seven names — we’re advised there may well be over 100 officers under review. I don’t know the names of those or their ethnicities, but if so many make into the police, surely there’s something radically wrong with the selection procedures and vetting… We are in complete agreement. There is indeed something very wrong with a selection process that prioritises applicants based on skin colour and ethnicity, rather than ability. Diversity quotas are a race to the bottom. have a look at pages 73-74 of the report...it seems it would like to reflect the diversity of London's population but doesn't have a plan in place to do so....
Chapter 9 points out....
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 24, 2023 17:49:16 GMT
"The Government’s Policing Uplift Programme" aka replacing the officers that they stupidly lost with lower quality, inexperienced and worse paid recruits.
I mean, what could possibly go wrong? Just ask Baroness Casey.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 24, 2023 18:13:51 GMT
Perhaps if they were more specific about it. How much more specific do you need that culturally trying to mix oil and water is a recipe for disaster. Separation is continuous and problematic for where the many interact. Laws are made to enforce acceptance and that can never be a good thing. In what way is this cultural mixing causing the Met to behave as they are? Give me examples of this cultural oil and water leading to violence. Both my London based businesses employ a mix of ethnicities, they are all friends blind to colour, culture and religion. So show me examples of this mix that's destroying London. That's how specific.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 24, 2023 18:16:56 GMT
You must be wrong it is diverse, culturally vibrant, enriched and Multiculturalism writ large for all to see. It is only the police standing in the way. Some could say a city gets the police force it deserves, or even that the police force reflects the values of the city. One thing is for certain it is not the police that have destroyed London, perhaps it is London that has destroyed the police. Yes. You can see where this goes in the US, with some local administrations effectively legalising shoplifting and even quite serious crimes involving violence. Part of the process being the police are politically hijacked or neutered ,using the 'I have a bee in my bonnet' techniques illustrated by Zany Yeah those poor American police, it takes 5 man hours to drag a black man from his car and beat him to death. No wonder they don't have time to be civilised.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 24, 2023 18:18:53 GMT
Little Red Riding Zany lol Zany uses the magic axe of vagueness. For instance, the statement "The police are racist" doesn't in itself mean anything much. There may be a real functional problem or there may not, but the words don't tell you that. However, the vagueness of the claim means that the job of political correction is never done and never fixes anything. I think we are now getting to the 'falling apart entirely' stage with some of our institutions Yes. The Casey report (rightly) identifies poor management at the root of many of the issues - the same management that will now attempt (and fail) to solve those issues. It's chip wrappers already. Nothing will change.
Edit: Actually scratch that - things will probably get worse as the management withdraws even more resources from the front line in order to do the never ending job of political correction.
There will be more police policing the police than policing the streets.
I know you live in fables but even you can't have missed the racism of the Met.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 24, 2023 18:23:29 GMT
So your theory is that Met's corruption and failings are largely down to officers and their spouses of foreign origin... LOL, not exactly Pat. But I am reminded of high profile cases in which police officers from ethnic minorities have done what comes natural. For instance a brief glance courtesy of google uncovers this lot, and we both know there are plenty more. Please google individual names: PC Rasvinder Agalliu PC Kashif Mahmood PC Shareen Kashif PC Inga Gherghel (A serving Met police officer who was Married to a Romanian gangster. Diversity targets must be met) PC Wahid Husman PC Amjad Ditta PC Tahsib Majid Of course some corrupt police officers are white English or IC1. But the prison population suggests, some ethnic minorities are very overrepresented when it comes to criminality. Racism is not just white people picking on black people, that's just more common because there are more white people. But Racism can be Hindu on Muslim (awaits the obvious answer) Black on white. The issue is that the police above anyone else should not engage in this and if they do should be dismissed.
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