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Post by thescotsman on Mar 23, 2023 18:52:53 GMT
okay so we accept that all terms (at face value) are considered poor police behavior.....then what....
What do you intend to do with that data point I think describing murder and rape as 'poor police behaviour' is somewhat of an extra-large over-serving of understatement. What are we going to do with this oddly shaped category Zany has created? ..exactly...why not include human sacrifice or voodoo ceremonies beheading chickens forcing virgins to drink the blood...it's not within the limits of credibility to find someone who is was or may be a police officer that has, could or will engage with these practices....but if we accept all these things, then what? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 19:00:29 GMT
There are a few people who think racism is telling off colour jokes. If telling a joke can be racism, then racism can be telling a joke. For comparison, there is no way telling a joke can be murder or rape. Murder and rape are definite, defined quantities - racism not so much. But telling a joke cannot be racism. Thus it ends. prejudice, discrimination by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 19:02:55 GMT
I don't think so. Not in most peoples minds Dear member of the public, which of these would you consider an example of very poor police behaviour, please tick each one. rape, misogamy, racism, violence, failing to iron your shirt thoroughly every day torture, beatings, murder. okay so we accept that all terms (at face value) are considered poor police behavior.....then what....
What do you intend to do with that data point
I do not consider point 5 to be considered poor police behaviour. I do not understand 'that data point' ? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 19:08:21 GMT
okay so we accept that all terms (at face value) are considered poor police behavior.....then what....
What do you intend to do with that data point
They are all relatively easy to define apart from racism and misogyny. This is where the problem lies in that both of these are subjective issues yet are held as being institutionally wide in the Met Domestic abuse is hard to define, but I don't think it can be 'acceptable behaviour' or that being 'subjective' should prevent its consideration. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 19:10:47 GMT
I think describing murder and rape as 'poor police behaviour' is somewhat of an extra-large over-serving of understatement. What are we going to do with this oddly shaped category Zany has created? ..exactly...why not include human sacrifice or voodoo ceremonies beheading chickens forcing virgins to drink the blood...it's not within the limits of credibility to find someone who is was or may be a police officer that has, could or will engage with these practices....but if we accept all these things, then what? Feel free to include human sacrifice if you think the Met are guilty of it. Or leave that out as an attempt to trivialise the things that are real. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 19:11:38 GMT
If telling a joke can be racism, then racism can be telling a joke. For comparison, there is no way telling a joke can be murder or rape. Murder and rape are definite, defined quantities - racism not so much. But telling a joke cannot be racism. Thus it ends. Telling a joke can be considered racism by some. Did you only recently arrive on earth from mars? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 19:14:12 GMT
But telling a joke cannot be racism. Thus it ends. Telling a joke can be considered racism by some. Did you only recently arrive on earth from mars? I'm talking about under the law. Some people think beating a black man to death is OK, the law disagrees. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 23, 2023 19:29:15 GMT
They are all relatively easy to define apart from racism and misogyny. This is where the problem lies in that both of these are subjective issues yet are held as being institutionally wide in the Met Domestic abuse is hard to define, but I don't think it can be 'acceptable behaviour' or that being 'subjective' should prevent its consideration. Well me and Mrs. T have never been abusive to each other until last summer when I bought an ice cream but didn't buy her one. Boy did I suffer. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 19:32:30 GMT
Domestic abuse is hard to define, but I don't think it can be 'acceptable behaviour' or that being 'subjective' should prevent its consideration. Well me and Mrs. T have never been abusive to each other until last summer when I bought an ice cream but didn't buy her one. Boy did I suffer. That's a bad mistake to make. All those years of building credibility, lost in a foolish moment. 😂 |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 23, 2023 19:36:34 GMT
Well me and Mrs. T have never been abusive to each other until last summer when I bought an ice cream but didn't buy her one. Boy did I suffer. That's a bad mistake to make. All those years of building credibility, lost in a foolish moment. 😂 Not so, I enjoyed the ice cream and cadbury flake. That's why I didn't buy her one, she wont eat the flake and as you can see from my avatar, I can't over indulge. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 19:58:54 GMT
That's a bad mistake to make. All those years of building credibility, lost in a foolish moment. 😂 Not so, I enjoyed the ice cream and cadbury flake. That's why I didn't buy her one, she wont eat the flake and as you can see from my avatar, I can't over indulge. Are you trying to say she didn't want that ice cream. I don't think so. 😂 Your avatar is a result of slimming world following your indulgence in ice creams. 😂 |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 23, 2023 20:45:14 GMT
okay so we accept that all terms (at face value) are considered poor police behavior.....then what....
What do you intend to do with that data point
I do not consider point 5 to be considered poor police behaviour. I do not understand 'that data point' Okay scratch point 5. I accept all your other points...now what? Where do we go from there?
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 21:00:09 GMT
I do not consider point 5 to be considered poor police behaviour. I do not understand 'that data point' Okay scratch point 5. I accept all your other points...now what? Where do we go from there?
Okies. I didn't understand "data point" Where we go from here? TBH I really don't know. I feel its gone on so long it will be all but impossible to change, which only leaves scrap it and start again, which sounds equally unpalatable. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 23, 2023 21:08:06 GMT
Okay scratch point 5. I accept all your other points...now what? Where do we go from there?
Okies. I didn't understand "data point" Where we go from here? TBH I really don't know. I feel its gone on so long it will be all but impossible to change, which only leaves scrap it and start again, which sounds equally unpalatable. ...agreed. So we are where we are and have to deal with the issues, as giving up is not an option! Thus do we accept that we are never going to have a perfect police force (since the recruitment pool from which it is derived is not perfect) we can only progress towards making what we have better....would you agree? |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 23, 2023 21:12:52 GMT
They are all relatively easy to define apart from racism and misogyny. This is where the problem lies in that both of these are subjective issues yet are held as being institutionally wide in the Met Domestic abuse is hard to define, but I don't think it can be 'acceptable behaviour' or that being 'subjective' should prevent its consideration. I did not say should not be considered I said hard to define yet are stated to be both widely held and Institutionalised. It would be handy to peruse the evidence and how they reached the Institutional aspect. If it was anything like the Macpherson report it was a foregone and defined conclusion with an Inquiry attached to the front. There was no evidence just assumptions. No way to run a country. |
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