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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 12:36:10 GMT
Do you remember the Sesame Street game? Two of these things are not like others. Give it a go....would you permit a maddly and massively off-topic comment? Of course. I would welcome it. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 23, 2023 13:08:48 GMT
....would you permit a maddly and massively off-topic comment? Of course. I would welcome it. ...I remember....at least I think I do...that years ago they stopped doing that song as the producers were concerned that children would start to concentrate of the differences between "things" and that this would forster a negative concept of diversity and exclusion rather than the acceptance difference and inclusion.....anyway |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 16:50:31 GMT
I know, rape, misogamy, racism, violence, torture, beatings, murder. But heck no ones perfect. Do you remember the Sesame Street game? Two of these things are not like others. Give it a go You mean you don't mind those two. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 17:17:07 GMT
Do you remember the Sesame Street game? Two of these things are not like others. Give it a go You mean you don't mind those two. Whether I like them or not, they are not, in practical terms, in the same category as rape, torture or murder. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 17:24:31 GMT
You mean you don't mind those two. Whether I like them or not, they are not, in practical terms, in the same category as rape, torture or murder. But they are both in the category of "accepting that the police force and police officers are not and never will be perfect" |
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 17:37:24 GMT
Whether I like them or not, they are not, in practical terms, in the same category as rape, torture or murder. But they are both in the category of "accepting that the police force and police officers are not and never will be perfect" A category which includes failing to iron your shirt thoroughly every day. Do you accept that murder and telling risqué jokes are not really in the same category when it comes to 'imperfections'? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 23, 2023 17:44:12 GMT
Maybe you need to be a complete bastard to deal with criminals and the pressure to go with it .
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 17:52:49 GMT
But they are both in the category of "accepting that the police force and police officers are not and never will be perfect" A category which includes failing to iron your shirt thoroughly every day. Do you accept that murder and telling risqué jokes are not really in the same category when it comes to 'imperfections' I don't think so. Not in most peoples minds Dear member of the public, which of these would you consider an example of very poor police behaviour, please tick each one. rape, misogamy, racism, violence, failing to iron your shirt thoroughly every day torture, beatings, murder. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 17:57:16 GMT
A category which includes failing to iron your shirt thoroughly every day. Do you accept that murder and telling risqué jokes are not really in the same category when it comes to 'imperfections' I don't think so. Not in most peoples minds Don't be daft. There are small number of people who feel telling off colour jokes is roughly equivalent to murder or rape. Most of them are (hopefully) in secure psychiatric care. This is not a million miles away from the sort of nonsense happened in the Soviet Union |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 17:58:32 GMT
I don't think so. Not in most peoples minds Don't be daft. There are small number of people who feel telling off colour jokes is roughly equivalent to murder or rape. Most of them are (hopefully) in secure psychiatric care. There are a few people who think racism is telling off colour jokes. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 18:02:11 GMT
Don't be daft. There are small number of people who feel telling off colour jokes is roughly equivalent to murder or rape. Most of them are (hopefully) in secure psychiatric care. There are a few people who think racism is telling off colour jokes. If telling a joke can be racism, then racism can be telling a joke. For comparison, there is no way telling a joke can be murder or rape. Murder and rape are definite, defined quantities - racism not so much. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 23, 2023 18:26:12 GMT
A category which includes failing to iron your shirt thoroughly every day. Do you accept that murder and telling risqué jokes are not really in the same category when it comes to 'imperfections' I don't think so. Not in most peoples minds Dear member of the public, which of these would you consider an example of very poor police behaviour, please tick each one. rape, misogamy, racism, violence, failing to iron your shirt thoroughly every day torture, beatings, murder. okay so we accept that all terms (at face value) are considered poor police behavior.....then what....?
What do you intend to do with that data point
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Post by sandypine on Mar 23, 2023 18:35:31 GMT
I don't think so. Not in most peoples minds Dear member of the public, which of these would you consider an example of very poor police behaviour, please tick each one. rape, misogamy, racism, violence, failing to iron your shirt thoroughly every day torture, beatings, murder. okay so we accept that all terms (at face value) are considered poor police behavior.....then what....
What do you intend to do with that data point
They are all relatively easy to define apart from racism and misogyny. This is where the problem lies in that both of these are subjective issues yet are held as being institutionally wide in the Met |
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 18:42:07 GMT
I don't think so. Not in most peoples minds Dear member of the public, which of these would you consider an example of very poor police behaviour, please tick each one. rape, misogamy, racism, violence, failing to iron your shirt thoroughly every day torture, beatings, murder. okay so we accept that all terms (at face value) are considered poor police behavior.....then what....
What do you intend to do with that data point I think describing murder and rape as 'poor police behaviour' is somewhat of an extra-large over-serving of understatement. What are we going to do with this oddly shaped category Zany has created? |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 23, 2023 18:48:59 GMT
okay so we accept that all terms (at face value) are considered poor police behavior.....then what....
What do you intend to do with that data point
They are all relatively easy to define apart from racism and misogyny. This is where the problem lies in that both of these are subjective issues yet are held as being institutionally wide in the Met Hi, yeah I didn't want to get bogged down in definition. I'm just trying to understand how to navigate this space that he's creating |
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