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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 21, 2023 22:43:23 GMT
You'd presume that Labour saying that Brexit is a mistake would cost them, especially in the "Red Wall" seats that they lost in 2019. However, new polling shows that even if they moved away from their current "Make Brexit Work" outlook, they would still regain the red wall AND improve polling elsewhere. consoc.org.uk/publications/red-wall-polling-2023/ |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 22, 2023 7:50:14 GMT
"Should Labour say Brexit a Mistake?"
Yes please - feel free to start a campaign to rejoin the EU and dont let anyone stop you.. 
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Post by sheepy on Mar 22, 2023 8:11:59 GMT
You'd presume that Labour saying that Brexit is a mistake would cost them, especially in the "Red Wall" seats that they lost in 2019. However, new polling shows that even if they moved away from their current "Make Brexit Work" outlook, they would still regain the red wall AND improve polling elsewhere. consoc.org.uk/publications/red-wall-polling-2023/Except it wasn't a mistake it was voted for after decades of EU rule, the mistake was putting the Westminster party in charge of Brexit, but on the bright side even if you forced people back into the EU against their will, every single time the EU through the Westminster party try and force their supremacy there will be uproar, when it will be were leavers right all along. While the Westminster party will just be seen as the globalist fascists they are. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 22, 2023 8:21:33 GMT
Except it wasn't a mistake it was voted for after decades of EU rule, the mistake was putting the Westminster party in charge of Brexit, but on the bright side even if you forced people back into the EU against their will, every single time the EU through the Westminster party try and force their supremacy there will be uproar, when it will be were leavers right all along. While the Westminster party will just be seen as the globalist fascists they are. We would never rejoin without the consent of the people. So your "against their will" is an irrelevancy. I notice you didn't actually comment on the poll itself. I thought it was interesting. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 22, 2023 8:22:54 GMT
"Should Labour say Brexit a Mistake?"
Yes please - feel free to start a campaign to rejoin the EU and dont let anyone stop you.. I don’t need to, it already exists. I'd be more interested in your comments on the poll though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 8:26:00 GMT
Why do you need consent from the people? The last Labour government were never big on requiring a mandate.
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Post by sheepy on Mar 22, 2023 8:27:21 GMT
Except it wasn't a mistake it was voted for after decades of EU rule, the mistake was putting the Westminster party in charge of Brexit, but on the bright side even if you forced people back into the EU against their will, every single time the EU through the Westminster party try and force their supremacy there will be uproar, when it will be were leavers right all along. While the Westminster party will just be seen as the globalist fascists they are. We would never rejoin without the consent of the people. So your "against their will" is an irrelevancy. I notice you didn't actually comment on the poll itself. I thought it was interesting. Which you will never get only by psychology and underhand dealings, which will always be ready to bite you right back. You cannot even muster enough votes between any of the Westminster party elections for a true majority as it is, whatever old cobblers your leaders falsely promise. |
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Post by Morgan on Mar 22, 2023 8:31:56 GMT
Brexit in itself may not have been a mistake. But there is no denying that Johnson's "No Deal" Brexit is a total disaster. Anyone still waiting for the sunny uplands needs to wake up.
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Post by see2 on Mar 22, 2023 8:32:29 GMT
"Should Labour say Brexit a Mistake?"
Yes please - feel free to start a campaign to rejoin the EU and dont let anyone stop you.. I suspect that 'suggesting' that Brexit was a mistake would gel with many who voted for it. Such a statement would not now automatically lead to a serious change of vote because those who voted for it, and others, would probably prefer to give Brexit more time just in case it could prove to be beneficial to the UK in economical terms in the long run. Give it a couple of decades then look to make a decision. In short Brexit is safe for now. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 22, 2023 8:34:53 GMT
Why do you need consent from the people? The last Labour government were never big on requiring a mandate. But on a serious issue they did rely on parliament. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 22, 2023 8:36:54 GMT
Brexit in itself may not have been a mistake. But there is no denying that Johnson's "No Deal" Brexit is a total disaster. Anyone still waiting for the sunny uplands needs to wake up. He was never much of a chess player though was he? he is as always a rank opportunist who bit off more than he could actually chew. Which shows in just about every decision he has ever made. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 22, 2023 8:38:12 GMT
"Should Labour say Brexit a Mistake?"
Yes please - feel free to start a campaign to rejoin the EU and dont let anyone stop you.. I don’t need to, it already exists. I'd be more interested in your comments on the poll though. Given the less than stellar accuracy of the polls leading up to the Referendum I tend to treat them all with a great deal of skepticism. Personally I'd love for Labour to stand on a promise of rejoining the EU - then we would have some clear blue water between the main parties instead of them being on the same page all the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 8:49:47 GMT
I don’t need to, it already exists. I'd be more interested in your comments on the poll though. Given the less than stellar accuracy of the polls leading up to the Referendum I tend to treat them all with a great deal of skepticism. Personally I'd love for Labour to stand on a promise of rejoining the EU - then we would have some clear blue water between the main parties instead of them being on the same page all the time. Those of us either to the left or to the right of the current Lab/Con thatcherite establishmentarianism are forever being criticised by adherents of the tweedle dee party for not supporting them anyway against the tweedle dum party, when in fact the reason we support neither is that they are offering no democratic alternative to the status quo. Wouldn't surprise me if see 2 rocks up in a minute with a broadside at my own supposed stupidity for failing to support the tweedle dee party, lol |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 22, 2023 8:53:35 GMT
Except it wasn't a mistake it was voted for after decades of EU rule, the mistake was putting the Westminster party in charge of Brexit, but on the bright side even if you forced people back into the EU against their will, every single time the EU through the Westminster party try and force their supremacy there will be uproar, when it will be were leavers right all along. While the Westminster party will just be seen as the globalist fascists they are. We would never rejoin without the consent of the people. So your "against their will" is an irrelevancy. I notice you didn't actually comment on the poll itself. I thought it was interesting. Well of course you did. It was designed for those who cannot think for themselves. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 22, 2023 9:11:15 GMT
Given the less than stellar accuracy of the polls leading up to the Referendum I tend to treat them all with a great deal of skepticism. Personally I'd love for Labour to stand on a promise of rejoining the EU - then we would have some clear blue water between the main parties instead of them being on the same page all the time. Those of us either to the left or to the right of the current Lab/Con thatcherite establishmentarianism are forever being criticised by adherents of the tweedle dee party for not supporting them anyway against the tweedle dum party, when in fact the reason we support neither is that they are offering no democratic alternative to the status quo. Wouldn't surprise me if see 2 rocks up in a minute with a broadside at my own supposed stupidity for failing to support the tweedle dee party, lol Thatcherism was halted in 1990, I don't need to point out your stupidity, it is there ^^^ for all to see  |
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