Should Labour say Brexit a Mistake?

You complain that you get no adult debate, but then make childish comments like this, which add nothing to the debate. Try commenting on the poll that this thread is about.

This thread is not about a poll it is about your obsession with Brexit.

The problem is "was Brexit a mistake" polls include:

1) People regretting leaving the EU.
2) People sick of hearing about Brexit.
3) People frustrated at the unwillingness of people to give it a fair try.

Realistically it will be 10-15 years before we even think about rejoining because it has to have time to settle. The longer we stay out the more concessions we are going to get from the EU as they move from a punishment stance to a pragmatic one. The same applies to the UK government, who will move from a hostile to a friendly approach.

Personally, I think the EU will split into a multi-tier system because the core members are moving towards federalism, while some countries don't want that. I can see a free market only tier opening up made up of the likes of UK, Norway and Switzerland.

You may not see it, but on the ground millions of workers had big pay rises once Freedom of Movement stopped the tap of cheap Eastern European labour. Also, companies have been forced to open up apprenticeships again and train their workforce instead of importing skills. There would be fucking riots if that tap got turned on again and the majority of unskilled / low-skilled jobs became minimum wage again.

The poll is interesting. Paid for by a company that i’d never heard of, whose directors are a barrister, an academic and a professor, none of whom have other business interests at director level, which seems to have amassed three million quid in ‘donations’, claims charitable status and states it should be exempt from preparing proper accounts.

So, if someone cates to yell me who these shysters are, i’ll trll you if i think they have a fair point or are just muckraking

Laughable rubbish. You cite as evidence for the abandonment of thatcherite policies under Major a fall in unemployment to 1982 levels, which is hardly impressive and is in fact anyway an outcome not a policy. That's all you have. No one but an idiot would try to argue that Major reversed thatcherite economic policies. Which ones?

And which ones did New Labour reverse? Yes they might have splashed a bit more money around but they did almost nothing to change the basic economic status quo. The broad tenets of the thatcherite consensus are with us still and have become accepted as integral by the establishment. You yourself are too stupid to see that you yourself have bought into it and are a part of it.

As for "affordable" housing, that word is very elastic and open to question, and is often used by types like you as propaganda. Fact is your chosen lot were such solid thatcherites that they built less social housing than Thatcher herself, and shared in the obsession with home ownership as the only thing that mattered, and you continued selling off whatever social housing was left.

So you can take your bullshit propaganda and put it where it might have some hope of fooling people. Might I suggest Private Eye, where at least you might serve the useful purpose of providing nonsense for us to laugh at.

We had workers rights a long time before the EU did.
We had migrants from Europe a long time before the EU existed.
It doesn't require freedom of movement to come, live and work here.
Freedom of movement allowed unscrupulous bosses to undermine the efforts of trade unions, and compress wages by employing people willing to undercut locals.
That depressed the minimum wage.
It also resulted in house price inflation due to supply and demand for rental accommodation.