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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 22, 2023 9:22:30 GMT
We would never rejoin without the consent of the people. So your "against their will" is an irrelevancy. I notice you didn't actually comment on the poll itself. I thought it was interesting. Well of course you did. It was designed for those who cannot think for themselves. Please can you explain what you mean by this? |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 22, 2023 9:27:14 GMT
Well of course you did. It was designed for those who cannot think for themselves. Please can you explain what you mean by this? Those who want to be controlled by a dictatorship. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 9:28:33 GMT
Those of us either to the left or to the right of the current Lab/Con thatcherite establishmentarianism are forever being criticised by adherents of the tweedle dee party for not supporting them anyway against the tweedle dum party, when in fact the reason we support neither is that they are offering no democratic alternative to the status quo. Wouldn't surprise me if see 2 rocks up in a minute with a broadside at my own supposed stupidity for failing to support the tweedle dee party, lol Thatcherism was halted in 1990, I don't need to point out your stupidity, it is there ^^^ for all to see  Well I obviously have to point out yours. The thatcherite status quo she established has largely remained in place ever since. It did not die with her passing. Even today we operate with thatcherite housing policies and thatcherite economic ones. This is so much so that the thatcherite economic status quo has itself become utterly establishmentarian, any challenge to it portrayed as extremist. The fact that you think Thatcherism ended in 1990 with it's founders resignation is a stupidity right there for all to see. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 22, 2023 9:34:56 GMT
Please can you explain what you mean by this? Those who want to be controlled by a dictatorship. Lol. Thanks for making me laugh. No actual insight on the polling data, but it's me who can't think... |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 22, 2023 9:36:39 GMT
Those who want to be controlled by a dictatorship. Lol. Thanks for making me laugh. No actual insight on the polling data, but it's me who can't think... Yes we know. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 22, 2023 9:38:00 GMT
You'd presume that Labour saying that Brexit is a mistake would cost them, especially in the "Red Wall" seats that they lost in 2019. However, new polling shows that even if they moved away from their current "Make Brexit Work" outlook, they would still regain the red wall AND improve polling elsewhere. consoc.org.uk/publications/red-wall-polling-2023/Brexit was not a mistake, get over it. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 22, 2023 9:42:11 GMT
Those who want to be controlled by a dictatorship. Lol. Thanks for making me laugh. No actual insight on the polling data, but it's me who can't think... Being as it has been explained that polling data isn't worth squat many, many times, I guess nobody is buying what your polling data is selling. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 9:48:18 GMT
Brexit clearly was a mistake, and all polling shows it, with a clear majority believing it was the wrong thing to do.
We cant have false promises from Keir Starmer, not like David Camerons "cast iron guarantee" or "£350 Million extra for the NHS" or Boris Johnsons "oven ready deal", but theres got to be a better way than this, with political deadlock in Northern Ireland, and businesses struggling.
A middle way ?
Starmer should tell our people the truth, that our economy would do better if we were aligned with the Single Market, and he needs to explain why. Let us make doing business easier, simpler and faster, ending the deadlock in Ireland, but without actually rejoining the EU ( FOR NOW )
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Post by sheepy on Mar 22, 2023 9:56:24 GMT
Brexit clearly was a mistake, and all polling shows it, with a clear majority believing it was the wrong thing to do. We cant have false promises from Keir Starmer, not like David Camerons "cast iron guarantee" or "£350 Million extra for the NHS" or Boris Johnsons "oven ready deal", but theres got to be a better way than this, with political deadlock in Northern Ireland, and businesses struggling. A middle way Starmer should tell our people the truth, that our economy would do better if we were aligned with the Single Market, and he needs to explain why. Let us make doing business easier, simpler and faster, ending the deadlock in Ireland, but without actually rejoining the EU ( FOR NOW ) What would any of you lot of part time globalists know what is happening in Ireland? at the moment they are suffering a crisis for voting for the globalist EU when they had a chance to break the spell that was held over them, now as a people they are suffering the consequences I think personally we might have arrived in the nick of time, being an optimist. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 22, 2023 10:06:32 GMT
Thatcherism was halted in 1990, I don't need to point out your stupidity, it is there ^^^ for all to see Well I obviously have to point out yours. The thatcherite status quo she established has largely remained in place ever since. It did not die with her passing. Even today we operate with thatcherite housing policies and thatcherite economic ones. This is so much so that the thatcherite economic status quo has itself become utterly establishmentarian, any challenge to it portrayed as extremist. The fact that you think Thatcherism ended in 1990 with it's founders resignation is a stupidity right there for all to see. John Major made big changes in Thatcherism the first one that comes to mind was the decreasing levels of unemployment that were reduced to around 1982 levels. NL inherited an improving economy in 1997 but one with a number of serious Thatcherite problems that they addressed and reversed. Thatcher/Conservatives were still using the well used 'boom and bust' economic means of controlling the UK internal economy, Blair ended that IN 1997, his first year in office, by giving control of inflation to the Bank of England. Thatcherism is no longer in control. As for Thatcherite housing policies, in which she did well for a while; "However while Tom Copley talks specifically about council-built accommodation, we should also consider the homes built and managed by housing associations. These 'social landlords' provide affordable housing to those on low incomes, and were responsible for an increasing proportion of social house building from the early 1990s onwards. Between 1997 and 2010, some 350,000 housing association dwellings were built. If we look at both housing association homes and council houses, Labour built more affordable properties in 2009 than the Conservatives did in each year between 1987 and 1990." |
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Post by see2 on Mar 22, 2023 10:12:36 GMT
You'd presume that Labour saying that Brexit is a mistake would cost them, especially in the "Red Wall" seats that they lost in 2019. However, new polling shows that even if they moved away from their current "Make Brexit Work" outlook, they would still regain the red wall AND improve polling elsewhere. consoc.org.uk/publications/red-wall-polling-2023/Brexit was not a mistake, get over it. The dream isn't looking good right now, but only time will tell, but even then one will probably have to wade through the Brexit propaganda. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 10:30:23 GMT
Brexit clearly was a mistake, and all polling shows it, with a clear majority believing it was the wrong thing to do. We cant have false promises from Keir Starmer, not like David Camerons "cast iron guarantee" or "£350 Million extra for the NHS" or Boris Johnsons "oven ready deal", but theres got to be a better way than this, with political deadlock in Northern Ireland, and businesses struggling. A middle way Starmer should tell our people the truth, that our economy would do better if we were aligned with the Single Market, and he needs to explain why. Let us make doing business easier, simpler and faster, ending the deadlock in Ireland, but without actually rejoining the EU ( FOR NOW ) What would any of you lot of part time globalists know what is happening in Ireland? at the moment they are suffering a crisis for voting for the globalist EU when they had a chance to break the spell that was held over them, now as a people they are suffering the consequences I think personally we might have arrived in the nick of time, being an optimist. Nothing is been held over the people of Ireland, they are members of the European Union because - they wanted to be, and still do want to be. Joining the EU was the best thing that the Republic of Ireland ever did, it made them the "Celtic Tiger" as far as their economy went and grew, and living standards went up. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 10:40:01 GMT
Irelands biggest import/exports are outside of the EU. Their economy simply became more globalist. This makes them very vulnerable to the global markets, which are changing for the worst. They were given an experimental economy.
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 22, 2023 10:59:22 GMT
We would never rejoin without the consent of the people. So your "against their will" is an irrelevancy. I notice you didn't actually comment on the poll itself. I thought it was interesting. Well of course you did. It was designed for those who cannot think for themselves. There's leaders and there's followers, and we all know which category andrew falls in, sheep baa baa baa |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 11:13:17 GMT
The biggest trading partner for Ireland is the European Union
The largest single nation as a trading partner is the United States
The biggest areas of growth in Irish exports are to the European Union, with Malta importing over a thousand percent more Irish products in 2021, also the Czech Republic, Portugal and Norway which is part of the European Economic Area, as we should be.
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