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Post by jonksy on Mar 19, 2023 21:11:52 GMT
What is it with these laboure excuses for women?....They are all gob and no brains....She's just twisting words. Lineker meant exactly what we all thought he meant.
Gary Lineker is defended by Labour's shadow communities secretary over 'Nazi' tweet - as she breaks ranks from front bench party chiefs' views Labour's Lisa Nandy says Lineker was not likening the government to the Nazis
'The Government has been keen to say he's been likening this to the Nazis, he wasn't – and I would have utterly condemned that had he done so – I don't think he would have done so.
'What he was pointing to was a chilling comparison with an environment in which people aren't free to be able to challenge this sort of language and behaviour.'
Ms Nandy's views differed from that of her fellow front-bench Labour colleagues.
Shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry insisted that she would not have used the same words as Lineker and described them as 'really very unfortunate'.
Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary, also stated that she did not think what Lineker said was right.
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Post by see2 on Mar 19, 2023 21:31:25 GMT
What is it with these laboure excuses for women?....They are all gob and no brains....She's just twisting words. Lineker meant exactly what we all thought he meant.
Gary Lineker is defended by Labour's shadow communities secretary over 'Nazi' tweet - as she breaks ranks from front bench party chiefs' views Labour's Lisa Nandy says Lineker was not likening the government to the Nazis
'The Government has been keen to say he's been likening this to the Nazis, he wasn't – and I would have utterly condemned that had he done so – I don't think he would have done so.
'What he was pointing to was a chilling comparison with an environment in which people aren't free to be able to challenge this sort of language and behaviour.'
Ms Nandy's views differed from that of her fellow front-bench Labour colleagues.
Shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry insisted that she would not have used the same words as Lineker and described them as 'really very unfortunate'.
Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary, also stated that she did not think what Lineker said was right.
Nevertheless Lineker was referring to the pre WWII situation when the Germans were making the Jews out to be less than worthy, which is what some Brits are doing to the so called 'boat people'. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 19, 2023 21:32:20 GMT
Nandy LOL
I can't really say much more.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 19, 2023 21:34:38 GMT
Nandy LOL I can't really say much more. Just another oxygen thief mate... |
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Post by see2 on Mar 19, 2023 21:50:32 GMT
Nandy LOL I can't really say much more. Just another oxygen thief mate... But not as dangerous to society as yourself. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 19, 2023 22:00:42 GMT
Ideal article for see2 perhaps?
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 20, 2023 8:07:51 GMT
What is it with these laboure excuses for women?....They are all gob and no brains....She's just twisting words. Lineker meant exactly what we all thought he meant.
Gary Lineker is defended by Labour's shadow communities secretary over 'Nazi' tweet - as she breaks ranks from front bench party chiefs' views Labour's Lisa Nandy says Lineker was not likening the government to the Nazis
'The Government has been keen to say he's been likening this to the Nazis, he wasn't – and I would have utterly condemned that had he done so – I don't think he would have done so.
'What he was pointing to was a chilling comparison with an environment in which people aren't free to be able to challenge this sort of language and behaviour.'
Ms Nandy's views differed from that of her fellow front-bench Labour colleagues.
Shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry insisted that she would not have used the same words as Lineker and described them as 'really very unfortunate'.
Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary, also stated that she did not think what Lineker said was right.
Nevertheless Lineker was referring to the pre WWII situation when the Germans were making the Jews out to be less than worthy, which is what some Brits are doing to the so called 'boat people'. The "Boat people" ARE less worthy. They're breaking the law. In fact most of them are also coming here to break the law - why else would Albanians be paying people smugglers thousands to come here when - if they're legal - than get on a scheduled flight. As for the rest of them they're muslims who come here as part of the deliberate plan of displacing muslims to the West to wage armed jihad. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 8:44:51 GMT
Ideal article for see2 perhaps? How can anyone make the mistake of connecting the denigration of the Jews in Germany and the denigration of the 'boat people' with the horrors of Nazism, one might ask. Well the answer is obvious in this case. It is the need for some people to throw slime at anything they don't like. Yes, the nasties make Lineker's words into a nasty comment. It is the sort of thing right-wingers repeatedly do. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 8:45:18 GMT
How things get twisted
In his opening post, jonksy mentions the word "Nazi", but Linekar never uttered the word "Nazi", and this is how the right wing press twist everything.
Linekar said that the kind of language been used was reminicent of what happened in 1930s Germany
So what did Linekar actually mean ?
It could refer to the fact that some in this country opposed taking in Jewish refugees, which is a statement of fact; He could have meant how propogandists attempted to vilify Jews and stir up hatrec toward Jews.
If you are going to GUESS what Linekar actually meant, by all means do so, but dont use the word "Nazi" because Linekar never once used that word, stick to the truth, stick to reality.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 20, 2023 8:49:45 GMT
Oh come on Sid.. It's hilarious the attempts that some go to to pretend that comparing something with the evils of Germany in the 1930's was nothing to do with the Nazis. Everyone knew exactly what he meant..  |
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 8:49:53 GMT
Nevertheless Lineker was referring to the pre WWII situation when the Germans were making the Jews out to be less than worthy, which is what some Brits are doing to the so called 'boat people'. The "Boat people" ARE less worthy. They're breaking the law. In fact most of them are also coming here to break the law - why else would Albanians be paying people smugglers thousands to come here when - if they're legal - than get on a scheduled flight. As for the rest of them they're muslims who come here as part of the deliberate plan of displacing muslims to the West to wage armed jihad. Strong opinions are all too often based upon personal bias. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 8:54:26 GMT
Oh come on Sid.. It's hilarious the attempts that some go to to pretend that comparing something with the evils of Germany in the 1930's was nothing to do with the Nazis. Everyone knew exactly what he meant.. Ha Ha, your post makes you an idiot who thinks he is a mind reader |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 20, 2023 8:57:52 GMT
How things get twisted In his opening post, jonksy mentions the word "Nazi", but Linekar never uttered the word "Nazi", and this is how the right wing press twist everything. Linekar said that the kind of language been used was reminicent of what happened in 1930s Germany So what did Linekar actually mean It could refer to the fact that some in this country opposed taking in Jewish refugees, which is a statement of fact; He could have meant how propogandists attempted to vilify Jews and stir up hatrec toward Jews. If you are going to GUESS what Linekar actually meant, by all means do so, but dont use the word "Nazi" because Linekar never once used that word, stick to the truth, stick to reality. My father had several relatives doing rather well in the Weimar Republic …. Which particular bit of the 1930’s was Lineker referring to then ? Maybe the bit where hyperinflation was removed by the simple expedient of revaluing the currency so one million old marks became one ReichsMark and suddenly the value of money was restored because loaves of bread and postage stamps were suddenly priced in single figures again and people understood those numbers better than their seven digit precursors which meant nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 8:59:29 GMT
Nandy LOL I can't really say much more. Just another oxygen thief mate... I have met her whilst a member of the Labour party. And whilst I do not agree with all of her politics, she is a basically decent person and easily worth ten of you. You yourself appear to be a waste of good oxygen insofar as I can see. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 9:16:58 GMT
How things get twisted In his opening post, jonksy mentions the word "Nazi", but Linekar never uttered the word "Nazi", and this is how the right wing press twist everything. Linekar said that the kind of language been used was reminicent of what happened in 1930s Germany So what did Linekar actually mean It could refer to the fact that some in this country opposed taking in Jewish refugees, which is a statement of fact; He could have meant how propogandists attempted to vilify Jews and stir up hatrec toward Jews. If you are going to GUESS what Linekar actually meant, by all means do so, but dont use the word "Nazi" because Linekar never once used that word, stick to the truth, stick to reality. My father had several relatives doing rather well in the Weimar Republic …. Which particular bit of the 1930’s was Lineker referring to then Maybe the bit where hyperinflation was removed by the simple expedient of revaluing the currency so one million old marks became one ReichsMark and suddenly the value of money was restored because loaves of bread and postage stamps were suddenly priced in single figures again and people understood those numbers better than their seven digit precursors which meant nothing. The hyper inflation was actually in the early 1920s, not the 30s. And it's solution as you described took place in 1924. For most of that year, far from being in power, the Nazis were still a minor fringe party. Hitler himself spent most of that year in Landsberg prison for his part in staging an unsuccessful far right coup attempt in Bavaria in November 1923, the so-called beerhall putsch. The 30s actually began with rapidly worsening economic conditions, and the elections of 1930 mortally wounded Weimar democracy as support for both left wing and right wing extremists opposed to parliamentary democracy surged. The Nazis came from nowhere to become the second largest party in that election. Communist support also surged. Parliamentary democracy became unworkable hereon in and the Weimar republic only staggered on by having chancellors overriding parliament, governing in cooperation with President Hindenburg by the use of emergency decrees. From January 30th 1933, of course, Hitler was in power and democracy in Germany utterly dead or very soon to be. But even before they came to power, and definitely whilst in power, throughout the 1930s the Nazis used inflammatory language in regards to minorities and foreigners of a kind which Braverman has echoed, talking of migrants as hostile invaders, for example. No one has compared the Tories with Nazis, but warning against the use of similar language for populist reasons is not unreasonable, when the language itself is of a kind likely to stoke hatred and animosity. Governments or their ministers using language calculated to whip up negative feelings to win support is a tactic reminiscent of the Nazis in 30s Germany, and it is not unreasonable for decent people to call this out. |
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