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Post by buccaneer on Mar 20, 2023 9:31:12 GMT
How things get twisted In his opening post, jonksy mentions the word "Nazi", but Linekar never uttered the word "Nazi", and this is how the right wing press twist everything. Linekar said that the kind of language been used was reminicent of what happened in 1930s Germany So what did Linekar actually mean It could refer to the fact that some in this country opposed taking in Jewish refugees, which is a statement of fact; He could have meant how propogandists attempted to vilify Jews and stir up hatrec toward Jews. If you are going to GUESS what Linekar actually meant, by all means do so, but dont use the word "Nazi" because Linekar never once used that word, stick to the truth, stick to reality. So you allow us to "guess" what Lineker meant (how kind of you), but we are not able to come to the logical conclusion of what he meant which ends up at Godwin's Law. You are simply being dishonest. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 20:22:26 GMT
Well the dumb halfwit Suella Braverman was "offended" because apparently there were people in her husbands family who were Jews in 1930s Germany - Political Opportunism, attention seeking. Garry Linekar made no mention of "Nazi's" or of Concentration Camps or the Holocaust.
So how do we know what he was referring to ?, and the best anyone can do on this forum is guess
But as the issue is about refugees seeking asylum crossing the channel, my own guess is that Linekar was comparing the language used then, and comparing it to day ( that IS actually what he said ), he made reference to "the language used".
He did not compare this country, or our government to Nazis
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 21:24:59 GMT
How things get twisted In his opening post, jonksy mentions the word "Nazi", but Linekar never uttered the word "Nazi", and this is how the right wing press twist everything. Linekar said that the kind of language been used was reminicent of what happened in 1930s Germany So what did Linekar actually mean It could refer to the fact that some in this country opposed taking in Jewish refugees, which is a statement of fact; He could have meant how propogandists attempted to vilify Jews and stir up hatrec toward Jews. If you are going to GUESS what Linekar actually meant, by all means do so, but dont use the word "Nazi" because Linekar never once used that word, stick to the truth, stick to reality. So you allow us to "guess" what Lineker meant (how kind of you), but we are not able to come to the logical conclusion of what he meant which ends up at Godwin's Law. You are simply being dishonest. When people equate Lineker's words with the worst of Nazi actions, they have chosen to make the most stupid overly biased choice possible. They make up their own version of Godwin's Law. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 20, 2023 21:28:18 GMT
Just another oxygen thief mate... And whilst I do not agree with all of her politics, she is a basically decent person and easily worth ten of you. You yourself appear to be a waste of good oxygen insofar as I can see. My sincerest condolences. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 20, 2023 21:34:13 GMT
So you allow us to "guess" what Lineker meant (how kind of you), but we are not able to come to the logical conclusion of what he meant which ends up at Godwin's Law. You are simply being dishonest. When people equate Lineker's words with the worst of Nazi actions, they have chosen to make the most stupid overly biased choice possible. They make up their own version of Godwin's Law. No. It's called inferring where evidence and reasoning exist without explicit statements. Children do this all the time with literature and is a required skill for comprehension. You are just being dishonest. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 20, 2023 22:08:38 GMT
Well the dumb halfwit Suella Braverman was "offended" because apparently there were people in her husbands family who were Jews in 1930s Germany - Political Opportunism, attention seeking. Garry Linekar made no mention of "Nazi's" or of Concentration Camps or the Holocaust. So how do we know what he was referring to , and the best anyone can do on this forum is guess
What else was happening in 1930's Germany? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 21, 2023 7:32:56 GMT
The "Boat people" ARE less worthy. They're breaking the law. In fact most of them are also coming here to break the law - why else would Albanians be paying people smugglers thousands to come here when - if they're legal - than get on a scheduled flight. As for the rest of them they're muslims who come here as part of the deliberate plan of displacing muslims to the West to wage armed jihad. Strong opinions are all too often based upon personal bias. Typical leftie nonsense based on ignorance. Albanians are over-represented in British jails by a factor of 12. They're taking over the trafficking of drugs, humans, sex and arms. Most of the Albanians who come over by boat are people who have already been deported or have the kind of criminal record that would prevent them coming here by legal means - why else would they pay thousands to come here. They come to "work" in the black economy and crime. As for the muslims - who make up the rest of the dross and scum that come in the boats - they come here to sponge off the very generous British welfare system or to attack the kuffar state. They also bring their own unpleasant "culture" of paedophilia and mass rape of young non-muslim girls. And 90% of terrorism worldwide is islamic. Any idea that these are decent people is ludicrous. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 21, 2023 7:36:46 GMT
Strong opinions are all too often based upon personal bias. Typical leftie nonsense based on ignorance. Albanians are over-represented in British jails by a factor of 12. They're taking over the trafficking of drugs, humans, sex and arms. Most of the Albanians who come over by boat are people who have already been deported or have the kind of criminal record that would prevent them coming here by legal means - why else would they pay thousands to come here. They come to "work" in the black economy and crime. As for the muslims - who make up the rest of the dross and scum that come in the boats - they come here to sponge off the very generous British welfare system or to attack the kuffar state. They also bring their own unpleasant "culture" of paedophilia and mass rape of young non-muslim girls. And 90% of terrorism worldwide is islamic. Any idea that these are decent people is ludicrous. You have to excuse c2 mate he has wet dreams over all things left. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 21, 2023 8:56:48 GMT
When people equate Lineker's words with the worst of Nazi actions, they have chosen to make the most stupid overly biased choice possible. They make up their own version of Godwin's Law. No. It's called inferring where evidence and reasoning exist without explicit statements. Children do this all the time with literature and is a required skill for comprehension. You are just being dishonest. Do you really think Lineker wanted to equate the denigration of the 'boat people' with the Nazi extermination of millions people? That wouldn't even begin to make any sense. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 21, 2023 9:07:06 GMT
Strong opinions are all too often based upon personal bias. Typical leftie nonsense based on ignorance. Albanians are over-represented in British jails by a factor of 12. They're taking over the trafficking of drugs, humans, sex and arms. Most of the Albanians who come over by boat are people who have already been deported or have the kind of criminal record that would prevent them coming here by legal means - why else would they pay thousands to come here. They come to "work" in the black economy and crime. As for the muslims - who make up the rest of the dross and scum that come in the boats - they come here to sponge off the very generous British welfare system or to attack the kuffar state. They also bring their own unpleasant "culture" of paedophilia and mass rape of young non-muslim girls. And 90% of terrorism worldwide is islamic. Any idea that these are decent people is ludicrous. I have not in any way indicated or suggested that there are no problems with migration into the UK. I, probably like most people, would like to see an answer found to the problem. So your post doesn't reply to anything that I have posted, it is unfortunately, just you using an opportunity to rant on about problems that most people already recognise. The point you miss is that not all the boat people fit into your selected problem people mentioned above. Incidentally I am no "leftie" never have been, my political position is center left. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 21, 2023 9:09:32 GMT
No. It's called inferring where evidence and reasoning exist without explicit statements. Children do this all the time with literature and is a required skill for comprehension. You are just being dishonest. Do you really think Lineker wanted to equate the denigration of the 'boat people' with the Nazi extermination of millions people? That wouldn't even begin to make any sense. He was clearly inferring up to that point, just like 1930's Germany did. Watch out, five years time we all may be cheering the gassing and exterminating of the boat people at the White Cliffs! According to Mr. Lineker. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 21, 2023 9:10:08 GMT
Typical leftie nonsense based on ignorance. Albanians are over-represented in British jails by a factor of 12. They're taking over the trafficking of drugs, humans, sex and arms. Most of the Albanians who come over by boat are people who have already been deported or have the kind of criminal record that would prevent them coming here by legal means - why else would they pay thousands to come here. They come to "work" in the black economy and crime. As for the muslims - who make up the rest of the dross and scum that come in the boats - they come here to sponge off the very generous British welfare system or to attack the kuffar state. They also bring their own unpleasant "culture" of paedophilia and mass rape of young non-muslim girls. And 90% of terrorism worldwide is islamic. Any idea that these are decent people is ludicrous. You have to excuse c2 mate he has wet dreams over all things left. With any luck you just might one day find a second brain cell, but it does seem rather unlikely. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 21, 2023 9:16:56 GMT
Do you really think Lineker wanted to equate the denigration of the 'boat people' with the Nazi extermination of millions people? That wouldn't even begin to make any sense. He was clearly inferring up to that point, just like 1930's Germany did. Watch out, five years time we all may be cheering the gassing and exterminating of the boat people at the White Cliffs! According to Mr. Lineker. So you are determined to think the worst, that's a big negative from you. In the 1930s all the Germans did was to encourage Jews to migrate out of the country. Several factors determined the ebb and flow of emigration of Jews from Germany. These included the degree of pressure placed on the Jewish community in Germany and the willingness of other countries to admit Jewish immigrants. However, in the face of increasing legal repression and physical violence, many Jews fled Germany. Until October 1941, German policy officially encouraged Jewish emigration. Gradually, however, the Nazis sought to deprive Jews fleeing Germany of their property by levying an increasingly heavy emigration tax and by restricting the amount of money that could be transferred abroad from German banks. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 21, 2023 10:06:05 GMT
He was clearly inferring up to that point, just like 1930's Germany did. Watch out, five years time we all may be cheering the gassing and exterminating of the boat people at the White Cliffs! According to Mr. Lineker. So you are determined to think the worst, that's a big negative from you. In the 1930s all the Germans did was to encourage Jews to migrate out of the country. Several factors determined the ebb and flow of emigration of Jews from Germany. These included the degree of pressure placed on the Jewish community in Germany and the willingness of other countries to admit Jewish immigrants. However, in the face of increasing legal repression and physical violence, many Jews fled Germany. Until October 1941, German policy officially encouraged Jewish emigration. Gradually, however, the Nazis sought to deprive Jews fleeing Germany of their property by levying an increasingly heavy emigration tax and by restricting the amount of money that could be transferred abroad from German banks. I'm inferring what Lineker said and probably what he meant as did many people. We all know where that ended up in the 1930's, so it is perfectly logical and reasonable to infer that. He could have used any other source/time/event in history to relay what you believe he said, but unfortunately he chose the most extreme event. |
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Post by om15 on Mar 21, 2023 10:25:28 GMT
Are you for real? "all" the Germans did was destroy their business's, confiscate their houses, belongings, life savings and prevent those fortunate enough to leave from taking any of their belongings with them. Those less fortunate were made to wear yellow stars, work as slave labour and eventually be exterminated.
That's "all" the Germans did.
Lineker is just a badly educated rather thick leftie with too much to say, as is Litha Nandy.
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